Touring 4wd, what would you buy?

the electronics thing...

simple analogy - who has a 3.5 inch floppy drive in their PC these days? or a serial port? yet these were the ONLY mode of transferring files from machine to machine 10 or so years back... lans were rare except in the corporate world - email was limited so moving files meant moving disks...

ok now fast forward 5-10 years... who has a piece of electronic whatever that can interface with your D3/RR/TD5 and rectify any fault? chances are by then everything will be a totally different connector again? are they reliable? sort of/yes/maybe? - rectifiable in the medium to long term? I think not... now if landrover used a generic OBD port, possibly a different story.

Meanwhile my 4BD1 will idle on by rattling itself to bits over the next century or so being powered by anything remotely close to cooking oil/diesel/bio...

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Originally Posted by Rayngie

My Dad's bigger than all your Dad's.....

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:Rolling::Rolling:

.....but, my mum is bigger than your Dad

And my Grandpa used to be bigger than the lot of them :p.

But Sclarke I am curious why you started all this since you have already made up your mind. You weren't asking for people's opinions you were asking for them to agree with you. And so seem to be all the others that do agree with you. Some of us are challenging your stated opinion about current vehicle electronics being unreliable or not bush touring capable. Are there facts to back up either side? I would like to see real statistics. I think Drivesafe may have some but there is also a lot of personal experience on here and Disco3 that tends to suggest electronics are not the problem some people believe.

But I still say that just because my choice is right it doesn't make yours wrong (or vice versa). Horses for courses and all that. If we all get out there and enjoy it does it matter how we do it?

Tim.

I think a quote from President Franklin Delano Roosevelt covers this thread perfectly "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." :D

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Originally Posted by EchiDna

ok now fast forward 5-10 years... who has a piece of electronic whatever that can interface with your D3/RR/TD5 and rectify any fault? chances are by then everything will be a totally different connector again? are they reliable? sort of/yes/maybe? - rectifiable in the medium to long term? I think not... now if landrover used a generic OBD port, possibly a different story.

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TD5's at least do use the generic OBD11 port.

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Originally Posted by Psimpson7

TD5's at least do use the generic OBD11 port.

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So does the TDCi

Perentie 6x6 LRPV with the dirt bike and some goggles..... and some sun screen and a really big stereo with the latest Prodigy Album and a 50L Waeco full of good stuff. But without that tragic Isuzu engine in it. I would have a LAND ROVER Twin Turbo V8 with a sports exhaust! And a ducted Aircon into the footwells!

Nissans and toyotas are so damned boring. Who cares if you can go touring in some dreary Japanese car! EVERYBODY else does that - What's the point.

In a Land Rover it's a REAL Adventure. It feels like a real adventure, it LOOKS like a real adventure! You might not actually get home:D

Park your Twin Turbo Diesel V8 LRPV at the Birdsville pub, let track 11 on Prodigy album fade out.... They can keep their reliability brag..... We are here to PARTY Land Rover Style!.

Well I'd still use the shed in my carport - a Puma Defender. I already have driven it in the real outback - and whilst things did go wrong - it made it.

Any Defender is a good choice as a tourer - massive payload, loads of usable space, great fuel economy, go anywhere, and I reckon it's really comfortable for long stints behind the wheel.

And whilst there may be some drawbacks in regard to the electronics argument, I think it's countered somewhat by considering that a newer vehicle is going to likely be in better overall mechanical condition anyway, so less likely to suffer major dramas.

The other thing is for me - if it breaks down it breaks down - I'm just not a mechanic in any sense of the word - so for me it really doesn't matter if it's mechanical or electric - I'll be walking either way!

Anyhow - we'll see about this new Defender, 'cos I'll be using Grover for crazy outback trips till the day I push up the daisys. Maybe I'm an optimist, but it's done 36 000km and that motor has never missed a beat - I'm confident that will continue.

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

all the MxxxA1 varients run as standard the 6v53 which as standard comes in a blown configuration but by changing the cam you can have it super charged and then you can bolt on a turbo charger as well.....OR....

you just hoik the 53 and drop in a 71, 82 or a 93 in the 6 pot config given that its the same block pattern with different heads and injectors.

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As you would be aware Dave, all Detriots are super charged........turbo is optional
BTW did you know GM are happy to rate a 6V53 to 350 BHP in marine/stationary application, not bad for a little engine designed 70 odd years ago.

Going back to 1968 I used to service and repair 4 GM/Detriot engines, 1 4Cyld and the others 6 cyld.
They were used for running generators on a textile factory 24 hours a day no stop. Excellent engines and very reliable.
The 6 cyl were ex Greyhound buses.
The only problem with them was the preventative maintenance and oil change. Was a tedious job cleaning the outside part of the cyl trough the inspection ports.