Thread: Warn Winches - 9.5XP, 9.5Ti or 9.5Si ???

My first thought about the wireless unit was "thats a good idea". Then I thought about loosing it / batteries going flat and thought that the switches on the dash would be a better idea.

I think to start with I'll just have the wireless, then see how I get on and perhaps when I get round to it but a 3 way rocker switch (ON/OFF/ON) in.

Will the wireless remote clip in place inside the centre cubby box?

Brendan,
I think that you'd probably be better off with 2 x 3 way rocker switches (ON/OFF/ON) in a mud console. Especially given that you need to re-do the electrics anyway.

Derek:
Why would you put the solenoid pack (is that whats its called for the XDC??) lower down, behind the bumper rather than higher up under the bonnet? Is the weatherproofing on it really that good? What about when it gets submerged? Any issues?

Only asking beasue that bumper and winch could well be the same configuration as I end up with.


Slightly different questions:
1. Ive been told that with the Warn winches there is no need to fit a dedicated isolater as they are activated via 3 pins on the remote, not 2, hence the old paper clip trick doesnt work. That said the isolator would protect from any winch / cable malfunction causing nasty fires! Whats the concensus? Isolate or not?
2. If the answer to above is to isolate... There must be a better method than to use those large switches that get in your way and have the potential to loose the key! Could the winch not be isolated with a heavy duty solenoid in the battery box and a nice, convenient, low current ON/OFF switch on the dash?

Ok, done a bit more digging and found these specs:

Model: 9.5XP, 9.5Si, 9.5Ti, 9.5XDC
Motor Size (hp): 6, 4.6, 4.6, 4.6
Line Speed (m/min): 11.6, 18.9, 18.9, 8.8
Rope Length (m) x Dia(mm): 30x8, 38x8, 38x8, 30x8
Weight (kg): 43, 36.3, 46, 39.5

Im guessing the 'i' series are more expensive due to the extra rope length available and faster line speed. Either of which may or may not be important depending on application.

Sorry about the formatting!!

Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Jon

Will the wireless remote clip in place inside the centre cubby box?

Don't see why not.

Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Jon

Why would you put the solenoid pack (is that whats its called for the XDC??) lower down, behind the bumper rather than higher up under the bonnet? Is the weatherproofing on it really that good? What about when it gets submerged? Any issues?

From what I've seen when I installed it the whole unit is encased and just has the terminals for the wires on the outside. Couldn't see any opening for anything to get in to it. Hence I don't see mounting it there as an issue.

Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Jon

Slightly different questions:
1. Ive been told that with the Warn winches there is no need to fit a dedicated isolater as they are activated via 3 pins on the remote, not 2, hence the old paper clip trick doesnt work. That said the isolator would protect from any winch / cable malfunction causing nasty fires! Whats the concensus? Isolate or not?
2. If the answer to above is to isolate... There must be a better method than to use those large switches that get in your way and have the potential to loose the key! Could the winch not be isolated with a heavy duty solenoid in the battery box and a nice, convenient, low current ON/OFF switch on the dash?

Solenoid diagram in this PDF: XDC Installation

Hi Jon, it feels a bit odd talking about winches with you via AULRO on the other side of the world when we are only about 70 miles apart in the UK

A few further comments for you. The 9.5 XP has a 6hp motor whilst the others have 4.8hp motors and the gear ratio is all 156:1. Means that the 9.5 is heavier on the current draw which is no problem with your Odessy batteries.

No load line speed is irrelevant for you as your usage is non competitive.

Winch line capacity is of more interest. The 9.5 apparently only has room for 30m x 8mm wire rope whereas the others have room for 38m. Oddly enough the drum diamensions are give as 2.5" diameter and 9" length. Why can the 9.5XP only take 30 metres?? Typo? There is a typo in the spec sheet of the 9.5si as in layer 5 can only pull 649lbs or 3150 kg.

The line speed of the 9.5 XP is about 10% higher then the Ti or Si across the load range but at the cost of a higher current draw.

The other alternatives are the Tabor range from Warn although I can not see a spec sheet on the Warn site

Decisions, decisions!

Regards


Brendan

Thanks Derek / Brendan, much appreciated.

Brendan, some decisions are easy - Im staying on the Warn path!

With regard to fixing the Warn's in an ARB winch bumper, I know the XP and XDC will fit but the Ti & Si seem to generate confusion - even the ARB site is crap on this. Id rather not have to take a grinder or welder to a new bumper!

So... Anyone know for sure if they will or will not fit?

Can't you just ring them and ask?

The width shouldn't be an issue with any of these on the Defender. The main thing I see as a potential problem would be the fact the ARB bar is a forward mount, not base plate mount (like Mantec bumper). I had to rotate the clutch housing on the XDC to fit it. If you can't rotate the fixed controller bridge on these, then you will be in trouble. I'm pretty sure that ARB said the 9.5Ti was an option though when I bought the XDC.

Originally Posted by dullbird

Can't you just ring them and ask?

Wouldnt that be easy! Problem is here in the UK people are frightened to sell the Defender ARB (legal issues re bull-bars - see below) and therefore information is VERY limited, especially on the new breed of winches, hence the questions. The nearest place that may know are the Germans, my Germain isnt that great and there English is only marginally better!

To my knowledge the UK law states that you can fit these "winch mounts" if the car it is to be applied to does not meet the latest (EU4 I think) safety standards. To that end the Defender doesnt and therefore is OK. Another grey area of UK law is who is responsible in a court of law, should an accident arise and law suit arise due to the ARB, the seller or buyer....

All these things conspire against selling the ARB in the UK, but I can get them easily from Germany - so long as I know what I want / need!