Urgent HELP Needed

**George130** · 16th July 2009, 02:59 PM

Still sounds like not enough pressure in the box for things to engage. If it was a full rebuild then they have stuffed up somewhere. A few things can cause this.
Failing clutch packs,
Failing torque converter,
Not enough transmission fluid,
Sticking valve in the valve body,
Faulty pump.

First thing is to cofirm the correct amount of fluid is in the box.

Now if the torque converter is not engaging the pump properly then this can happen. Problem here is that it can take seconds for the pump cog to be damaged and require replacing (Did this with my box rebuild).

Did they fit the pick up to the oil filter? If the pick up is missing then you will have intermitent fluid loss depending on angles etc.

After 3 times trying to fix it you have a problem. Time to be firm but polite. If they give you the run around them be harsh on their ability to sort it out.

When you rev it does it engage suddenly or slowly?
Also check the oil to see how clear it is and does it smell.

The other question is what happened to require the rebuild? You also havn't said of they did a full rebuild or just a partial reuild.

**disco_mitch** · 16th July 2009, 08:33 PM

ok just went out and every time i jumped back in the car after 10mins-half hour i had to rev it to 3k after about 10 seconds in gently goes into gear and than its fine, the reason for the rebuild was in the morning it would stick in first gear till it warmed up and sometimes i would have trouble getting it into gear, on the invoice it says

gsr kit 168
friction clutch kit 230
filter 26
tourque convertor 380
govenor support 125
fluid 68
labour 980

i dont know what to do about it he has had the thing 3 times his a reputable zf mech im trying to do the right thing by him but im not sure if his doing the right thing by me, it cost me $2200 everywhere else said it would start at about $3500 so i dont know if his cheap as he knows what his doing or if he is cheap because of other reasons thinking about going up there tomoz and having a chat with him

**disco_mitch** · 17th July 2009, 06:35 AM

well i just spoke to him again and straight away he said it must need a new pump, i think that was always in the back of his mind but he was just trying to get away with it, not sure if i should ask for a refund off him and go somewhere else but i think his being good and standing by his waranty and fixing it no questions asked and if i go somewhere else ill prob end up forking out a heap more money and ill still be without the car anyway, said he will order a pump and get back to me to arange when he can have the car as frustrated as i am i have got to admit his customer service is good, and anather way im thinking of it is if he had done the pump in the first place than i would have had to pay for it at least this way i wont have to pay for it

**George130** · 17th July 2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by jeep_boy

ok just went out and every time i jumped back in the car after 10mins-half hour i had to rev it to 3k after about 10 seconds in gently goes into gear and than its fine, the reason for the rebuild was in the morning it would stick in first gear till it warmed up and sometimes i would have trouble getting it into gear, on the invoice it says

gsr kit 168
friction clutch kit 230
filter 26
tourque convertor 380
govenor support 125
fluid 68
labour 980

i dont know what to do about it he has had the thing 3 times his a reputable zf mech im trying to do the right thing by him but im not sure if his doing the right thing by me, it cost me $2200 everywhere else said it would start at about $3500 so i dont know if his cheap as he knows what his doing or if he is cheap because of other reasons thinking about going up there tomoz and having a chat with him

Some good prices in there.
My fluid works out at 160 to 200. Tourque Converter cost me 600. Clutch kit was more also. Mine is stupidly heavy duty though and not standard. My clutch pack was built specificaly for my rig, Tourque Converter was also specialy built.

**disco_mitch** · 17th July 2009, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by George130

Some good prices in there.
My fluid works out at 160 to 200. Tourque Converter cost me 600. Clutch kit was more also. Mine is stupidly heavy duty though and not standard. My clutch pack was built specificaly for my rig, Tourque Converter was also specialy built.

he told me that was heavy duty he does a lot of zf rebuilds so maybe he gets them at a good price

**George130** · 17th July 2009, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by disco_mitch

he told me that was heavy duty he does a lot of zf rebuilds so maybe he gets them at a good price

Maybee. Mine was done by a mate who didn't charge labour. But then my box is in a Defender 130 putting out huge power.

**disco_mitch** · 17th July 2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by George130

Maybee. Mine was done by a mate who didn't charge labour. But then my box is in a Defender 130 putting out huge power.

yea im sure there would be variants beetween builders, he did tell me he put all heavy duty gear in it as he knew what she was in for

mike 90 RR · 17th July 2009, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by disco_mitch

...... as frustrated as i am i have got to admit his customer service is good, ....

Sometimes, some jobs that we do, just seem to go belly up ... happens to us all / and I guess it's happening to your mechanic ... at least he's seeing the job through to the end .....

**disco_mitch** · 8th August 2009, 11:22 AM

well he had it again on thursday and friday for the 4th time and its still not fixed i really dont know what to do or where to go from here,
he said that he changed some alloy seals to nylon or on the convertor shaft

**Blknight.aus** · 8th August 2009, 11:47 AM

IF hes not charging you for the time hes working on it now (it should have been fixed first go) and hes providing you with an alternate set of wheels (or not have ing the car isnt causing you hassles) Leave him to have at it.

I'm not prepared to second guess whats wrong in this particular situation as theres a lot of things (almost all of them mentioned already) that can cause the problems your having It could be a twisted O ring, an incorrectly assembled clutch pack, the oil pump could be shot, It could be the wrong oil pump, If he had the brain out it could be installed/assembled or it could just be the pump seal got skewered when hes mated up the TC.

IF you (or he depeding on your perspective) It might even be as simple as hes got the oil level wrong or theres a crack in the pickup on the replacement filter that he hasnt seen because hes not looking for damage on a brand new part. (just ask Brian Hejlm about the hair pulling I did trying to sort out his gearbox/clutch that only took me 3 weeks)

I'd be asking what his plans are to resolve the problem. I personally would be expecting to hear words along the lines of "Im going to replace the box with a reco unit"

In his defence... assuming hes not had time to do the run in drive he first time you got it he should have given you a list of driving instructions to "bed in" the new parts the autos I've had to do work on have always had some initial quirks as the packs and seal settle in but I've never had them as bad as what you're describing.

And just to be stupid. Is the shifter/throttle sense cable correctly adjusted?

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