Thread: Who the heck would vote "Yes"?

Originally Posted by abaddonxi

I dunno, it works on me. I'm usually pretty careful about sticking to the speed limit, but I do pay a lot more attention to it during double demerits.

Haven't had a prang yet.

Yes, but you are probably not one of the people who were having the prangs in the first place. If you look at the effect of "Double Demerits" on road statistics, there were definitely a dip on first one or two times after when it was introduced. However subsequent to those events the statistics have returned to the trend where they were before "Double Demerits". So what is most probably happening is those drivers who were not the problem in the first place and accidentally (or other) exceed the limit and get booked suffer the consequences for what now seems like a failed injury prevention strategy. While the problem drivers are still out there doing whatever it takes to kill themselves and others. IMHO.

A visible Police presence has been statistically proven to reduce the road toll, but that is cost negative so not favourable to Government revenue even if it does reduce the road toll.

Diana

Originally Posted by Rosscoe68

don't see the big issue, don't speed and it wont matter if there's double demerit or not. seems pretty simple to me, although i did finish high school in the median grade so i guess there are some people out there that aren't so clever and can't work out the simplicity in that equation.

Don't you just love a simplistic solution.

Does it occur to anyone that you can be killed or seriously injured even though you were under the speed limit and doing the right thing. Guess what...you're still dead.

Also lets look at the recent changes to NSW traffic fines. Just so the politicians do not have a hostile electorate on their hands they have lowered the cost and modified the points.

It must have been very important to cut the road toll if a government decides to lower the threshold.

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Originally Posted by BigJon

If a P plater isn't confident enough to drive at the speed limit on the open road, what are they doing there??

If you can't tow your caravan at 100 kph on the open road (I am talking reasonable straght roads) then there is something wrong with your setup.
My Dad is 70 years old and tows his big (dual axle) van at the speed limit quite safely.

sooo, you were never a new driver on the road? and what of the people that grow up in the country where the roads are 100km/h? they shouldn't be allowed on the road without experience? where they gunna get it if not on the roads? and what of the p platers that are working in another suburb where they have to travel via highways ?

as for my carava you are right. yes, there is something wrong with it, its old, its only a single axle, and its near the max weight limit of a single axle and its shaped like a brick. unfortunately my old caravan is very un-aerodynamic, which means it moves around a lot in the wind. only for the fact i have sls on the rear of the disco that it isnt worse. but i am not finacial enough to replace it, so i will continue to travel my way around aus doing 85 klm/h and enjoying the scenery, and hopefully not be run off the road by some impatient so and so.

Originally Posted by p38arover

On what planet do you live?

When was the last time you saw a P-plater driving at under the speed limit?

A red P-plate entitles the driver to travel at 20km/h over, a green P-plate means 40km/h over.

heh, yes, i agree that a good majority of them seem to be of that mind, but i have seen quite a few responsible p platers, much as i have seen some responsible 4wd owners in the city centers, old lay drivers, caravan towers, truck drivers and any other minoroty group that seems to get persecuted.

Originally Posted by feral

Don't you just love a simplistic solution.

Does it occur to anyone that you can be killed or seriously injured even though you were under the speed limit and doing the right thing. Guess what...you're still dead.

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sorry to go for a 3rd reply so quick.
but i will take my chances of avoiding an out of control car at 60k/h any day over trying to avoid a car that is speeding in the same area. i am a defensive driver, have been all of my 25 driving years, and guess what, only ever had 1 accident, and that was due to someone rear ending me in stop start traffic on the freeway. and guess what, he was going too fast for the conditions. very difficult to be defensive when you got nowhere to go. so yes, i understand you can get killed driving under the speed limit.
the only saving grace for those speeders that do have accidents is you are more likely to die in a high speed accident and not have to face up to it. thats harsh i know, but its how i feel

sorry, i realise i am getting off topic, i will stop ranting now, hehe

Double demerit points are great for insurance companies as it means that there will be more people driving without licences so therefore there will be fewer payouts required.

How's that for cynical?

Originally Posted by Rosscoe68

sooo, you were never a new driver on the road? and what of the people that grow up in the country where the roads are 100km/h?

Now that is a ridiculous comment.

Of course I was a new driver at some stage. But I wasn't a mobile road block. In fact I have never understood why learner drivers are limited to 80 kph (I assume they still are), but when you get your P plates you can do 100 kph. Surely it would be better to get experience with an instructor on board.

As far as growing up in the country is concerned, all the coutry people I know were all driving long before they were let loose on the roads, so were a lot more competent than "city" learners.