I cannot see the problem with bar fights and guns....darwin called it the theory of evolution.....would solve more problems than it caused if you asked me.......oh you didnt i butted in sorry!
I cannot see the problem with bar fights and guns....darwin called it the theory of evolution.....would solve more problems than it caused if you asked me.......oh you didnt i butted in sorry!
In the old days in Cooper Pedy in SA, when you went to the local, every prospector would put their find on the bar to show they are good for it and their 6 shooter right next to it.
That was 25 years ago.
Thank god we have moved on.
Very little good has come from the yanks and least of all their Right To bear Arms.
I lived in both Israel and South Africa for a while and living in fear is not worth living.
Let the stupid Yanks do what they like and perhaps rid themselfes of like minded.
Most Americans are so brain washed, 80% of their population has no passport and no idea there is a world outside of the US.
The kids of today are our leaders of tomorrow, let them not model themselves on what is done in the states.
All of the mass shootings in the US have taken place in "gun-free" zones. How many mass shootings happen at gun shows? The people who execute these mass shootings always pick soft targets(schools, shopping malls, restaruants). Places where they can achieve as much damage as possible with the least resistance.
How many pub brawls occur between sober parties? I haven't done the figures, but I would guess not many. Once again for the cheap seats, if you are drinking, you can't carry a gun. If you do, and get caught, you will loose your CCW permit and I don't think people with a CCW permit would risk it. They are too hard to get and too easy to loose. My opinion is that people who obtain these permits are people working within the law to ensure their personal safety.
Again, this is just my opinion, and these laws have very little affect on me. I live in a country where the criminals have the rights.
W
Hmmm Yes! And aren't you glad you live in Oz?Quote:
Originally Posted by p38arover
Although, I think that injuries from small calibre handguns are actually preferable to multiple stab wounds. Dependant upon the injury location of course but that goes for both types of weapons.
Diana
No wonder the waiters and waitresses are so polite.
which is why the crap in sensationalist drivel like "bowling for columbine" is so widely acceptedQuote:
Originally Posted by big guy
the general public, IMO really needs to wake up to themselves, but it will never happen because they love the blissfully ignorant lives they are brought up into by the manipulative media and the government
that said, its probably safer that 99% of the population dont have a clue what actually goes on and what should happen...... they sure as hell wouldnt be able to accept it
I've done a fair bit of shooting in my time including professionally shooting buffalo in the NT with the BTEC eradication scheme in the early 80's. in my personal view the thought of civilians with guns scares that crap out of me. I was in Timor when all the drama went down there, the military with guns scares the crap out of me as well just slightly less.
Guns per se, I dont have a problem with, I feel that if someone wants a gun they need a legitimate reason, be affiliated with a gun club, have proper training and every year a retest to ensure they still know how to use it responsibly and check to see if they still have a legitimate reason to own it. just wanting a gun is not good enough nor is "I need it for protection" that is what the police are for.
as for the yanks well there is not enough words
Blythe
Why is it that so many people always jump on the anti US sentiment and assume that the right to bear arms it the root of all evil. In fact whilst the media frenzy to lampoon gun crime in the US bombards us on a daily basis there are many more countries including other western countries where gun crime is far more rampant (we just don't get the media coverage). I have lived in countries where we did not have a designated (non drinking) driver when going out but a dedicated (non drinking) member of the group to carry a concealed firearm.
Whilst I am totally in support of "Gun Control" I honestly believe the right to bear arms by law abiding citizens should be a fundamental right. I do speak with some experience and other than on the "two way firing range" on active service I have also been on the wrong end of hand gun here in Oz. (Turned out to be a replica but that is another story). I was totally gutted when I was demeaned and crucified (officially) by both the police and my employer because I did not concede to the gunman's demands. I put no one else's life at risk and I was prepared (a decision making process I made) to stand up to the offender.
Too many criminals know that soft targets (and even some not so soft targets) have policies and procedures to just hand the money over and let the police deal with the offence post event. THIS SUCKS! It is your decision to make and if I was allowed to carry a firearm as an every day carry the world would be a safer place and possible minus a couple of scum bags.
I would have more hesitation in shooting a mangy dog than some of the ferals (sorry the poor victims and products of our nanny state).
So if I was armed and had shot the offender with the replica ?
TOO BAD but again I would have been the criminal.
I hope the day we openly need our firearms in society (total civil breakdown) does not come so lets hope I can be proved wrong.
Thommo
I am a firearm owner, no handguns, just longarms, and as somebody who works on a farm they are in use on many different occasions.
The thing that puzzles me about the whole firearm debate in Australia is why the attention is always on limiting the calibre or the firing method of the guns we can legally own. I have a couple of points to raise with this.
Firstly a well concealed marksman is going to do as much if not more damage with a high powered bolt action rifle then someone with a semiauto rifle, they are inherently inaccurate once the trigger is pulled rapidly because of the recoil. I know a couple of roo shooters who can drop a roo at up to 300 metres with a bullet between the eyes every time. To me someone with those types of skills going off the rails is of more danger then some inexperienced person wielding a semi-auto.
The second point I would like to make is that instead of limiting the calibres/types of rifles and handguns that law abiding citizens can own (for a genuine reason like priamary production or hunting vermin) why not adopt a psychiatric test when someone applies for a licence. From the reports I have read neither the Monash shooting nor the Port Arthur massacre would have happened if something like this existed. Training on how to use a firearm as part of your licence application is all well and good but if you are a mentally unstable person there is nothing to stop you legally acquiring a gun.
Anyway these are just my thoughts on the topic.
I believe in gun control; gun control means using both hands.
all this talk of psychiatric tests, etc doesnt really help the issue, for years criminals have never been able to legally purchase, own or even handle a firearm of any form, but has it stopped them?