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The difference is that in this instance we are making a distinction purely based on gender. In your examples - both female and male persons are subjected to the same laws regarding firearms, or grog sales in Alice Springs. A debate on the merits of these actual laws is a different issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanoH
GS-ADI, we dont have "point" in our services, we have scouts.......I have served as an infantry soldier in case anyone doubts my knowledge. Having done what I did I would not encourage ANY female to serve in a combat unit. We came home to our women, not served alongside them.
Personally, women have fought for equal rights for years. I dont have a problem with that. There are a number of jobs that either gender couldn't do due to physical attributes.
But that should be the ONLY line in the sand. If the testing is equal, then let them do it.
And as has been said already, where is the front line anyway? These days, a soldier in a support role is at just as much risk due to the latest weaponry as a grunt was 10 - 15 years ago.
Bullets don't discriminate - why should we?
Too late, women are already serving in combat units...there are already women in posted to Infantry Battalions but, not in rifleman/woman (LOL) positions. They are there administering, driving, medics etc, already. The female driving in an operational area is far more vulnerable than a rifleman in a section.Quote:
Originally Posted by ramblingboy42
What about the rifleman that chooses to come home to his male partner?...don't tell me you'll discriminate against his right to choose what gender of partner he comes home to!!!
G'day All, GO SHEILA's if thats what you want to do, bloody go for it, how many other countries around the world have females in the front line, get with it Australia, boys get over your insecurities, cheers Dennis:angel:
Well I'm a trucky,.. not a Grunt,.. and we have point,Quote:
Originally Posted by ramblingboy42
and these days you see girls in the units, that are just as good as the guys,
just on a side note,. girls that serve freely with medical units, in Africa, along side men, when they come home, seem to be less likely to off themselves then their male counterparts,.. Maybe we could learn something from the girls,
I was once a typical sexist, homophobic soldier indoctrinated into a way of thinking that I had to grow out of.
I have served with females on active service. (Both Australian & NZ)
Most of these females were just as effective as many of the males.
I have had many females under my command that I would happily go into battle with.
There have been some males who I would not go into battle with.
I have no problems with a female soldier on the front line if she can cut the mustard!
What I do have a problem with is when they are trying to achieve % for political reasons. As a Platoon Sgt training recruits some years ago I WAS instructed to "encourage" the recruiting and passing of certain demographics such as females, aboriginals and other minorities at the expense of white anglo males!
Needless to say I PASSED individuals on their own merits much to the angst of my superiors.
What must be put in place for "combatant" (front line is a poor term to use) troops is for a common set of standards to be achieved for both genders.
This should apply to both physical and psychological testing.
There are females (very few but a few never the less) who have passed selection for various elements of "special forces" (and no we wont go into more detail on that) and there are specific roles in "special forces" for women.
If only the media would give the same level of coverage to a female coming home in a body bag as a male then there would be no problem.
Thommo
Why do the women need their behinds supported? Sounds like it would be fun though :wasntme::wasntme: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 123rover50
I think that just the fact that there is a debate on if Female australians should join there male counterparts in the front lines is an indication that Australian society is not able to function in an impartial manor like some other couture who have little or no difficulty with females taking up arms in the front lines.
how ever the debate is healthy
just to put some more wood on the fire.
where all of the posts above are centered on what australians think or do not think, there are no comments as how this would be conceived by our enemies or the other side. if we were to take a moment and just look at where our troops are operational at the moment and what the locals would think or how they would respond to the australians having females in the front line. it would defiantly undermine the good social works that have been done to date.
there is on public record the treatment of every female taken prisoner in both GW1 & 2. All were molested with to some existent, the notable exception being some blond who was not but became a media show.
Now personally i have seen how female troops have been used as Bate and have witnessed battle plans changed because of having female troops on patrol. but worse the information that females are on the other side leading to the rewards of battle, perceived or other wise ( unfortunately its usaly otherwise).
My last point and again this is based on an observation is that Females tend to make quite good combat troops. i think the ability to multitask and the ability to hold up under some load situations put them in good steed but i also suspect that there is a couture background thing to this. non the less effective they were. on the down side ( and i know i may be blasted for this ) the female who has spent time under arms seems to become a bit more of the cold blooded killer, more inhumane even, Machine like. once this happens reintegrating into normal life is not really an option. tragic really when the fight you are fighting for actually destroys the goal.
Why is that this issue has been referred to a number of times, without any acknowledgement that you don't actually need to be in possession of a vagina to be 'molested'....? Such treatment is likely to be more gender prevalent but, it is certainly not gender specific. An enemy might not be so gender discriminating. Is it something that we males have trouble realizing?Quote:
Originally Posted by clean32