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    which engine is better petrol or diesel (older styles)

    Hi all,

    was wondering peoples thoughts on which is the better engine out of the older 2.25dls and 2.25 pet (I think thats their litreage).

    This would be in relation to a series 3, and how it would drive and react with each option in stalled.

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    I am, as always, favouring the Diesel, but you will have to accept that they are slow, and will redefine the term "speed" for you. They are less frugal than more modern Diesel engines and don't like overheating, revving and those issues.
    The petrol engines are basically similar, somewhat less frugal but somewhat more agile.
    I'd go Diesel anytime unless you have a vehicle with a well going petrol engine anyway. It's basically horses for courses. There was a thread about this some weeks ago, do a search for it.

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    depends on what you want to do....

    IMHO the diesels the go, its a bit lower on power but up on economy if driven nice and has a fatter torque band.
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    It all depends on priorities -

    Economy and range : diesel

    On-road performance: petrol

    A quiet life : petrol

    Ultimate offroad capability : diesel

    Minimum maintenance: diesel

    Stands neglect and abuse : petrol

    No cracking of panels due to vibration : petrol

    Lower fire risk : diesel

    Better payload (not a big difference) : Petrol

    Decide which are important for you and you have the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Stands neglect and abuse : petrol
    Ummm, Id disagree with that
    Dave

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    I've never had a diesel 2.25 but have driven them. I did have a petrol one though (ex-REME 2a) for about 7 years and for a relatively economical, durable, bush repairable industrial machine it's hard to beat. Felt like it would last forever. I especially loved the crank handle. When I was in the Simpson a few weeks ago I found myself thinking what it might have been like had I done it in that instead of my Defender. I think it would have easily crossed the desert just required a bit of patience on the 2500km of bitumin (overdrives always seemed so expensive back then).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    Ummm, Id disagree with that
    I'm interested in your reasons - my reasons, for example, I got an example of a diesel that had been dusted - it was virtually impossible to start. A similarly abused petrol engine would still run, just down on power and use a lot of oil, but would not be as worn anyway because the throttled petrol engine takes in less air and hence less dust than a diesel. Similarly, failure to change oil, while not good for either engine, will become terminal sooner with the diesel since the higher loading on bearings makes lubrication more critical. As another example, while dirty fuel will cause problems with either, it is more likely to cause expensive damage to the injection pump in a diesel, where it can be fixed by simple cleaning in the petrol engine.

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    i hate diesels, noisyer , smelly , expensive to maintain , oil twice the price of oil for a petrol motor , parts more expensive , deisel 10c ltr dearer

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard4u2 View Post
    i hate diesels, noisyer , smelly , expensive to maintain , oil twice the price of oil for a petrol motor , parts more expensive , deisel 10c ltr dearer

    I don't think that personal likes or dislikes are relevant to this discussion. I doubt that considering the two engines in question maintenance is very different between the petrol and diesel, and while some parts are more expensive for the diesel, they tend to be needed less often. Filters are the same, and you can use the same oil. Certainly diesel is often dearer, but the difference is a lot less than the difference in fuel consumption in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    I'm interested in your reasons - my reasons, for example, I got an example of a diesel that had been dusted - it was virtually impossible to start. A similarly abused petrol engine would still run, just down on power and use a lot of oil, but would not be as worn anyway because the throttled petrol engine takes in less air and hence less dust than a diesel. Similarly, failure to change oil, while not good for either engine, will become terminal sooner with the diesel since the higher loading on bearings makes lubrication more critical. As another example, while dirty fuel will cause problems with either, it is more likely to cause expensive damage to the injection pump in a diesel, where it can be fixed by simple cleaning in the petrol engine.

    John
    all fairly valid points.

    the diesel is more self protecting than the petrol engine, you cant rev the diesel till it blows, its governed, A fault in the fuel system usually has it stop nad rectification is usually as simple as replace filter and bleed if a diesel starts using oil it will keep on going where as a petrol can foul its plugs and stop.

    forget to change the plugs and leads, condensor and eventually the coil and they stop (ditto for water on the outside of the engine).

    when they do heat up on a hot day the diesels just keep going and dont vapour lock (nor catch fire)

    the diesel once warmed up will run on anything thats close enough to diesel the petrol struggles if you go too close to the metho side of petrol and vaporises its valves if you head towards the avgas side of the spectrum.



    the neglecting the oil change is a myth. Both those engines leak so much oil that you dont have to change the oil per se but conduct a progressive change if you forget to top it up both engine sieze just the same.

    oh

    diesel makes a much better releasing agent than petrol which given the state of the undersides of most landies in the field is, in its own right, the best reason of all to have a diesel when (not if) you break the one part thats not leaking (usually cause its all leaked out anyway) oil which is logically also the part thats held on with rusted fittings (cause the auto-rustinhibitor feature wasnt working) you just have to whip the fuel filter off, drain it over the offending part, wait 20 minutes then take it off.

    Dave

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