Thread: Pinzgauer Lay over PICS

Originally Posted by 123rover50

Must be a Forward Control Thing.

Didiman

Yeah it is a bit of a foward control thing, as the vehicles are built with a slight front weight bias and due to they are built for heavy loads they have stiff suspension and very limited flex so most lay overs you will see will be a result of a front wheel dropping into a hole and the light rear end coming up and over. Just have to adapt your driving style slightly

James.

Originally Posted by 123rover50

Must be a Forward Control Thing.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWAdgu7NTL4"]YouTube - Land rover 101 CRASH[/ame]

Been posted before, but still gives me the willies...

To high a gear for the conditions and riding the brakes - while this is an ambulance which does have more weight over the rear - it does show how the rear of a 101 can be a handful going downhill.

This is a different circumstance to the Pinz tipover though.

Garry

Originally Posted by Grover-98

Yeah it is a bit of a foward control thing, as the vehicles are built with a slight front weight bias and due to they are built for heavy loads they have stiff suspension and very limited flex so most lay overs you will see will be a result of a front wheel dropping into a hole and the light rear end coming up and over. Just have to adapt your driving style slightly

James.

What you say is right, but the Haflinger, which I think would qualify as forward control, avoided that problem by having a rear engine and an exceptionally low C of G.

Some of the clever features of the Haflinger included the fact that weihght distribution was pretty good whether empty or loaded.

When it was empty, it had the weight of the engine over the rear wheels and the weight of the driver over the front wheels. On a vehicle that only weighed about over 650kg, the weight of the driver was significant.

When it was loaded, the weight was pretty evenly distributed because it had a wheel at each corner.

The horizontally opposed layout of the twin cylinder engine also helped keep the C of G low.

Pretty clever design, I reckon.

Originally Posted by garrycol

To high a gear for the conditions and riding the brakes

Agreed.

Originally Posted by garrycol

This is a different circumstance to the Pinz tipover though.

Of course - I just thought it may be of interest. We are talking about Pinz/101s tipping over after all. It doesn't get much more tipped than that!

Originally Posted by vnx205

What you say is right, but the Haflinger, which I think would qualify as forward control, avoided that problem by having a rear engine and an exceptionally low C of G.

Some of the clever features of the Haflinger included the fact that weihght distribution was pretty good whether empty or loaded.

When it was empty, it had the weight of the engine over the rear wheels and the weight of the driver over the front wheels. On a vehicle that only weighed about over 650kg, the weight of the driver was significant.

When it was loaded, the weight was pretty evenly distributed because it had a wheel at each corner.

The horizontally opposed layout of the twin cylinder engine also helped keep the C of G low.

Pretty clever design, I reckon.

Yeap! the motor in the back of the Haffy certainly does even the balence going down steep decents, and they come in at 600Kg not including a driver which as stated has a large impact on the weight due to it being so light.

As for the COG, the pinz also has a very low COG it is rated to survive a 45 degree side slope which is on paper the same as that of a Haflinger, also the motor in the Pinzgauer is layed 15 degrees of horizontal, so as a result of this the COG is rather comforting in the Pinz.

However the Haflinger does have the advantage that when tipped on its side you simply get out and pick it back up and i would say once we get one of our many Haflingers running they will be layed on their side more then the Pinz due to the fact we will push them much harder due to the simplicity to recover and price difference

James.

Just watched that clip , i hope the driver and any passengers were ok! but as said before he was going way to quick for those conditions.

I have been trying to edit my original post in this thread as i would like to remove the first picture as i have forgotten to blur the number plate. But i cant seem to edit it?!

Would a mod be able to remove the first picture for me? Also if anyone has saved the picture onto their computer would you please take the care to blur it on your copy as well

I know it seems like a big fuss but it is my fathers car and i feel i owe it to him to grant his wish of not sharing the vehicles plates ... as the shot is of it on its side and we are claiming the damage.

James.