Thread: Jap Discos in Aus

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

How would the importation of second hand cars result in more jobs?

The reason for the legislation was to maintain manufacturing in Australia. Should this stop, I can't see any justification for it.

Hi Guys,

IMHO.....

Overall, the justification for not allowing imports bla bla bla is all there, keeping jobs in aus and such, but, what parts for my landy would be built in oz, especially for a car that is now 13 years old?

Brake discs maybe?

How does buying a used car that was never made in Australia, from Aus or Nippon, effect jobs here that were never here in the first place? I think there needs to be a SEVS type scheme, for vehicles that were never available to start with and special cases but there shouldn't be anything stopping me importing a car that is ADR compliant and was sold here, especially if it was an import to start with? Also, extra especially if it is no longer available new from my local dealer, anything 10 years old + would be a good start?

If I'm looking for a landy, I'm not going to buy a 15 year old dunnydoor or chooktin am I? Car manufacturers don't build cars so there'll be "lots on the second hand market", they build them to sell them new, the second the warranty is over (some would argue before) they no longer give two tosses about them, as long as new ones are rolling out the showrooms quick enough.

Importing a car keeps a whole raft of guys and gals busy throughout the whole process, who do i keep busy when i buy a used car here? The car salesman and the nice lady behind the desk at the rego, who would be involved anyway if i had a car from elsewhere?

If I'm thinking of buying a new car, there are reasons for that, I don't just jump up and go, well, an older used model is available ex Japan for an 1/8th of the price, I might buy that instead? Get your hand off it, of course I don't, I buy a new car if I want a new car, I buy a used car because thats all i can afford, I buy ozzie if i want ozzie, i buy import if i want import.

Soz about the rant, sometimes the way this country is run shizzles me to tears, an old boss of mine used to say "over governed and under managed", I never really got that until the last few years or so.

but anyway, I digress....



"it's my thread and i'll rant if I want too, rant if I want too"




I'm going to chat to few in the know over the next few weeks or so, see if there is a loop hole maybe? Give me something to do while I'm off work at least, although I know what the answer will be.

Or i can move to Japan for 12 months........ Any takers?

Is this an oversimplification of a much broader issue?

Your thoughts guys?

Mate.


just google, because exporting cars from Japan is just big business over there and that there is basically no second hand car market. there are a few online auction houses\ agents who will organize every thing for you and because its what they do they know how to do it.

i got my last lotus that way and a couple of Lexis, though those purchases i managed to sell back to japan though the same agent 4 mini's

Originally Posted by pando

Hi Guys,

IMHO.....

Overall, the justification for not allowing imports bla bla bla is all there, keeping jobs in aus and such, but, what parts for my landy would be built in oz, especially for a car that is now 13 years old?

Brake discs maybe?

How does buying a used car that was never made in Australia, from Aus or Nippon, effect jobs here that were never here in the first place? I think there needs to be a SEVS type scheme, for vehicles that were never available to start with and special cases but there shouldn't be anything stopping me importing a car that is ADR compliant and was sold here, especially if it was an import to start with? Also, extra especially if it is no longer available new from my local dealer, anything 10 years old + would be a good start?

If I'm looking for a landy, I'm not going to buy a 15 year old dunnydoor or chooktin am I? Car manufacturers don't build cars so there'll be "lots on the second hand market", they build them to sell them new, the second the warranty is over (some would argue before) they no longer give two tosses about them, as long as new ones are rolling out the showrooms quick enough.

Importing a car keeps a whole raft of guys and gals busy throughout the whole process, who do i keep busy when i buy a used car here? The car salesman and the nice lady behind the desk at the rego, who would be involved anyway if i had a car from elsewhere?

If I'm thinking of buying a new car, there are reasons for that, I don't just jump up and go, well, an older used model is available ex Japan for an 1/8th of the price, I might buy that instead? Get your hand off it, of course I don't, I buy a new car if I want a new car, I buy a used car because thats all i can afford, I buy ozzie if i want ozzie, i buy import if i want import.

Soz about the rant, sometimes the way this country is run shizzles me to tears, an old boss of mine used to say "over governed and under managed", I never really got that until the last few years or so.

but anyway, I digress....



"it's my thread and i'll rant if I want too, rant if I want too"




I'm going to chat to few in the know over the next few weeks or so, see if there is a loop hole maybe? Give me something to do while I'm off work at least, although I know what the answer will be.

Or i can move to Japan for 12 months........ Any takers?

Is this an oversimplification of a much broader issue?

Your thoughts guys?

Simply because the flow of very cheap second hand cars distorts the market to a point where it lowers the cost of cars. This makes it difficult for people selling new cars here, but especially manufacturers. It also tends to massively reduce residuals on new cars, which means people also tend to be less inclined to purchase new vehicles as the cost of ownership increases.

Cheap Korean cars (sold new) have had that effect to a certain extent already. Imported second hand cars have an even bigger effect.

Anyway, I don't make the rules. Complain to your MP if you don't like it...

It just frustrates me - the bloodymindedness of governments that bang on about being environmentally responsible and energy efficient let perfectly good cars like this go to waste ... when there is no Australian industry to protect anyway. There are no serious 4WDs built in Australia!

Its really about protecting dealers who don't want any competition.

Willem

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Simply because the flow of very cheap second hand cars distorts the market to a point where it lowers the cost of cars.

and this is a bad thing? i think we would all like to pay less for our second hand cars

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

This makes it difficult for people selling new cars here, but especially manufacturers. It also tends to massively reduce residuals on new cars, which means people also tend to be less inclined to purchase new vehicles as the cost of ownership increases.

it means the manufactures get there act together, new cars be come cheeper and dealer service improves out of sight.
the manufactures also get on the act, you could buy a second hand jap import toyota from a toyota agent with a toyota warrantee that equals a new cars warrantee.

[QUOTE=Captain_Rightfoot;1096232 Korean cars (sold new) have had that effect to a certain extent already. Imported second hand cars have an even bigger effect.
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true, now my wife instead of driving a 10 year old dunny door can drive a new buzz box when she goes shoping

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Simply because the flow of very cheap second hand cars distorts the market to a point where it lowers the cost of cars. This makes it difficult for people selling new cars here, but especially manufacturers. It also tends to massively reduce residuals on new cars, which means people also tend to be less inclined to purchase new vehicles as the cost of ownership increases.

Cheap Korean cars (sold new) have had that effect to a certain extent already. Imported second hand cars have an even bigger effect.

Anyway, I don't make the rules. Complain to your MP if you don't like it...

Hi Captain,

Generally, I agree with you.

Any import that can cause distortion to the aus market place should not be allowed. I probably should have made that clearer during my rant, but once I get going......

As to the level of damage that would be caused I'm not sure about, anyone got any facts about what has happened in NZ, good, bad, same?

In this particular case, referring to landys, and I'm sure other vehicles are out there, i think that importing certain vehicles from elsewhere would cause little or no harm to the Australian sector.

What I would like to see is a managed approach to vehicle imports, not the broad sweeping brush strokes that we have at the moment, to allow vehicles that are not dangerous or economically irresponsible to be allowed on our roads.

It's not the rules/ethos I'm sore about, it's the way things get handled that gets my knickers in a knot.

Your thoughts?

Originally Posted by pando

As to the level of damage that would be caused I'm not sure about, anyone got any facts about what has happened in NZ, good, bad, same?

Your thoughts?

plenty of info about

from memory of an AA mag ( RAA in australia)
in 1980 the average age of a family car was 18 years the average cost was 16 months average salary

in 19890 the average age of a family car was 16 years the average cost was 15 months average salary

in 2000 the average age of a family car was 9 years the average cost was 7 months average salary.


add to that the younger cars being more economical and safer

I'm pretty sure that the average age of the fleet was < 10 years in Aus. It does make a big difference to vehicle safety, where we have seen massive improvements in the last ten years.

With NZ, they had a very old fleet, whereas Australia has a newer fleet so it may not benefit overall vehicle fleet age. In fact if it does lessen the number of new vehicles bought it may in fact have the opposite effect.... interesting project for someone...