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Cooper's warranty is one of the biggest jokes around. It would be impossible to travel around Australia and comply with the conditions they impose to cover the tyres for the "warranty".
BFG A/T's and Cooper S/T's are both on my "never by them again" list.
General Grabbers on the Puma are VERY good. I believe they cost a packet to replace though.
I've got a set of ST's I made sure I got the Light Truck rated ones though.....
Can't say I've got much of a complaint of them, yes some of the lugs on the sidewall have chipped. But I've done nearly 55k on them and a fair chunk of that was on dirt N.T roads towing a boat so what should I expect??? With the remaining tread left on them I reckon I'll get at least another 40k. Have a mate with wrangler muddies on his cruiser and they are chipping as well, not wearing particularly well either. But at nearly twice the price of the coopers I think I'll put up with the chipping. Never had a puncture either, knock on wood.
Not good to hear about these horror stories.
I have cooper ST's on my D1..
The actual tread itself has worn really well and still tons left, but two of the four tyres have become lumpy and are crap at high speed...
I am on my second set of Cooper Discoverer S/T's on th D1, with 60,000ks on them with no dramas. The first set were replaced at 103,000ks, so you could say that I am happy with them.
I cant say what is a good tyre yet as I have only done 220,000ks on the disco and am still only on my third set. Original Michelins got 82000, replacement Pirellis got 75000 ($100 cheaper per tyre) and the current Coopers (similar price to Pirellis) are still going strong at about 63,000.
I still have another two brands that I would like to give a workout but I dont think I will last long enough.
But with truck tyres fitted to Mercedes touring coaches, I can tell a different story as after owning and operating a small fleet of these animals for 21 years, I tested a heck of a lot of tyre brands and found without a doubt the best 'all round' tyre (for our operation) was by far, Toyo. The average mileage life was not as great as Michelin, but then they didn't cost nearly as much either, and the all important 'dollar per Km" outshone Michelin by miles. The sidewall roll effect (exaggerated horribly in the back seat of a coach) of the Michelins was enough to frighten passengers. Plus of course wear and tread patterns were different for the steer to the drive and different again for rolling 'tag' axles.
All this has little to do with Land Rovers I know, but the point I am trying to make is that most of the expressions shown in this thread reflect sales blurbs, hearsay and personal choices rather than any cold hard fact. Unfortunate experiences can be recalled by anyone to reflect badly on any brand you wish to mention, and these must be taken in context with the application to be of any use whatsoever.
Just remember that regardless of what you do the average 4x4 will spend in excess of 80% of its time on made roads, so the cluey operator will select tyres that perform outstandingly in these conditions and other parameters should be proportionate.
Nothing brings a smile to my face quite like seeing a tricked up 4x4x ute with shiny chrome and fitted with tractor tyres parked outside a jobsite in the city. Don't become one of them.
Regards
Glen
Toyo were indeed a good tyre, until they introduced the LA (steer tyres) which wore incredibley badly on the shoulders. Multi vehicle operators were getting claims on them, but we insignificant single truck owner drivers couldn't, I have refused to buy Toyo since.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulu Delta 534
Tyres need to be compared side by side, the tyre you buy today can look identical to what was on offer a year or two ago but with a different compound. This will totally change the characteristics and wear properties of a tyre.
The cheap Aisian imports rely on this marketing ploy, they will introduce a long wearing hard compound tyre, at a keen price. By the time word gets around truck operators, the prices have risen and compounds softened. Then when said tyres have got a bad name, the cycle starts again with a different name.
Had two sets of ST's on my D1, both sets well in excess of 90k with lots of off roading, both sand and shale (sp? Ron?) rock climbs around the flinders and regular 4x4ing out the back of Mt Laura in Whyalla with lots of rocks. (LT not passenger) Would buy again without a doubt. Like all tyres pressure is important and not running too high a pressure more so in avoiding damage on rocks.
Also ran a set of AT's on a Feroza, same sort of terrains but lots more wheel spin due to the lack of suspension travel and they lasted well over 90k.
When I was shopping for tyres earlier this year I noticed the Cooper warranty for ATRs were a lot stronger than for STs. It sounds like LT version has less problems.
I ended up buying Goodyear silent armors 235/85LT.
I was tempted to go with General Grabber AT2s which were about $260 each f & b.
Probably the best deal in hindsight was Pirelli Scorpion MT 235/85 found by Blackight at about $200 each.
I'm onto my second set of STs (LT) since 2001 and love em.
Done a 1.5 laps of Oz in them, including a tag along with you Hymie ;)
Never had a flat. Never had a chip.
I have had STTs chip real bad on rock ledges. Probably not aired down enough. My bad.
yup i got them they are rubbish , tear lugs off all the time , wont stay in balance and casing has separated on one