Reply With QuoteWhat I notice with the climate change debate, is that people will believe what they want to believe, and only trust in data that supports what they want to believe.
YarnMaster
SubscriberWell I just read a bookby Prof Garth Paltridge, former chief Research Scientist at CSIRO and a genuine climate change specialist. Called "The Climate Caper" What an insight and what a wise man he is
. My scientific cynicism confirmed: allelulia.
Emission Trading Scheme: here's the guts of it: If you want to contaminate your nest or export contaminants to someone else's nest, that's OK as long as you pay a tax... or, you can pay someone else to keep THEIR nest clean, while you supposedly contaminate yours...all makes sense...well doesn't it? but the total amount of contamination keeps rising.
Q: Is all this "contamination" doing any REAL damage?
Now we know from lots of real data that the world goes through changes in climate... they are very slow cycles... like several hundred years, so no one was around to remember how the previous ones went. But we do know that Central Aus was once under sea water... and market gardens flourished in Greenland around the time of the Vikings...perhaps that's why eating their vegies made them strong and so they went hunting/pillaging with Hagar in the lead around the early Middle Ages...so what happened to cause the climate to change... an abundance of CO2 Land Rovers there was not! BUT CO2 levels did rise
Is the Carbon dioxide increase a causative agent or a coincidental ...no-one, repeat no-one, knows for sure and the original (US) PhD thesis from which the theory arose was grasped as "gospel" by greenies and Chicken Little wannabees but given the thumbs down by the real scientists because the mathematics supporting the theory were demonstrably dodgy... TRUE
' Twould seem that our worthy leaders are squabbling over stuff they in reality know stuff all about and indeed it's another case of image taking the place of substance....
as for us poor sods
" Let them (us) eat cake "...indeed while our pockets are picked in the name of ideology and questionable science...
real rant to follow
PS... I see it has just been announced that Al Gore is now setting up a merchant bank to trade carbon credits.... what a surprise!
Last edited by Hoges; 18th November 2009 at 09:30 AM. Reason: see later post + add "post script"
Swaggie
What I notice with the climate change debate, is that people will believe what they want to believe, and only trust in data that supports what they want to believe.
Cheers
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Swaggie
You could say the same about many things though Slunnie. Just look at the religion thread for another example...Originally Posted by Slunnie
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Climate change or not, everything blamed as a cause of climate change sucks anyway, and should be stopped.
or, just stop breeding, simple.
ChatterBox
SubscriberIf you haven't already, watch this The Great Global Warming Swindle. It is very insightful and educational.
Can be viewed here too I think The Great Global Warming Swindle.
http://video.google.com/videoplay'docid=4860344067427439443#
Alan
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YarnMaster
SubscriberPlease accept my unreserved apologies for the coarseness of the earlier post, now edited, which, considered in the light of a somewhat cooler day, detracted from the overall tenor of this fine forum.
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the "stop breeding" quip is the thing that needs to occur imho.
the growth figures are truly astounding
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Swaggie
well, it appears our pollies are taking some parts of the issue seriously (I think).....on stateline the other night Barnaby Joyce reckons the libs are gonna force a double dissolution over the ETS debate before this parliamentary sitting is over.....is it that important to our pollies to force a change of govt over it? right before Xmas? it must be going to hit the rich libs mates in their pockets. we dont want that to happen to our mates now do we? nah.....throw the govt out....let the taxpayers cost this one.....caretaker govt which cannot make major decisions......another polling day......more proselitising.....more mud slinging......while more boat people drift in.
ChatterBox
SubscriberActually yes, it is that important. It isn't so much that it will affect the rich because it probably won't. It will affect those that can afford the least. It will affect those who do not have the power to say no to it.
Alan
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Particularly when you remember that all the girls looked like this-the "stop breeding" quip is the thing that needs to occur imho.
the growth figures are truly astounding
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