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    HMAS TOOWOOMBA and a Giant

    What a big ship that thing is.....

    HMAS TOOWOOMBA approached nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS NIMITZ for a Replenishment at Sea. HMAS TOOWOOMBA assisted the USS NIMITZ by providing air defence during launshing and recovery of aircraft



    HMAS TOOWOOMBA receives fuel replenishment from nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS NIMITZ at the end of tasking in CTF 50. HMAS TOOWOOMBA provided vital air defence for USS NIMITZ in place of of USS SAMPSON who was retasked





    Despite the enormouse size difference, HMAS TOOWOOMBA provided vital air defence capability to nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS NIMITZ during a support task in CTF 50. Personnel from both ships had the opportuntity to cross-deck, developing an understanding of their coalition counterpart's work and build friendships

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    Quote Originally Posted by juddy View Post
    What a big ship that thing is.....

    HMAS TOOWOOMBA approached nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS NIMITZ for a Replenishment at Sea. HMAS TOOWOOMBA assisted the USS NIMITZ by providing air defence during launshing and recovery of aircraft



    HMAS TOOWOOMBA receives fuel replenishment from nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS NIMITZ at the end of tasking in CTF 50. HMAS TOOWOOMBA provided vital air defence for USS NIMITZ in place of of USS SAMPSON who was retasked





    Despite the enormouse size difference, HMAS TOOWOOMBA provided vital air defence capability to nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS NIMITZ during a support task in CTF 50. Personnel from both ships had the opportuntity to cross-deck, developing an understanding of their coalition counterpart's work and build friendships
    Cool pics! Thanks for posting these. The second pic looks like the Nimitz is towing a dingy!

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    Last edited by willem; 20th November 2009 at 08:14 AM. Reason: Add a sentence

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    Fascinating in that the Nimitz apparently also carries a reasonable amount of conventional fuel as well as its own. It must commonly be used as a 'tanker' for its escorts.
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    I was thinking the same thing too....


    Quote Originally Posted by zulu Delta 534 View Post
    Fascinating in that the Nimitz apparently also carries a reasonable amount of conventional fuel as well as its own. It must commonly be used as a 'tanker' for its escorts.
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    Toowoomba has Gas Turbine engines, probably same fuel as used for the aircraft, Regards Frank.

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    Seems the refueling of smaller ships is very common from a carrier. Another good pic...







    Quote Originally Posted by zulu Delta 534 View Post
    Fascinating in that the Nimitz apparently also carries a reasonable amount of conventional fuel as well as its own. It must commonly be used as a 'tanker' for its escorts.
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    The refuelling of escorts is a common practice but the Nimitz is Nuclear so I cant see it sharing ITS fuel with one of ours.
    Tank, do you know what fuel the turbines on Toowoomba run. Most Avtur is basically power Kerosene slightly refined.
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    what fuel would the planes use? i'm guessing they would have a few litres onboard

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    Bunker fuel

    Bunker fuel is technically any type of fuel oil used aboard ships. It gets its name from the containers on ships and in ports that it is stored in; in the days of steam they were coal bunkers but now they are bunker-fuel tanks. The Australian Customs and the Australian Tax Office define a bunker fuel as the fuel that powers the engine of a ship or aircraft. Bunker A is No. 2 fuel oil, bunker B is No. 4 or No. 5 and bunker C is No. 6. Since No. 6 is the most common, "bunker fuel" is often used as a synonym for No. 6. No. 5 fuel oil is also called navy special fuel oil or just navy special, No. 6 or 5 are also called furnace fuel oil (FFO); the high viscosity requires heating, usually by a recirculated low pressure steam system, before the oil can be pumped from a bunker tank. In the context of shipping, the labeling of bunkers as previously described is rarely used in modern practice. Further information on bunker fuel.


    Table of fuel oils
    Name Alias Alias Type Chain Length
    No. 1 fuel oil No. 1 distillate No. 1 diesel fuel Distillate 9-16
    No. 2 fuel oil No. 2 distillate No. 2 diesel fuel Distillate 10-20
    No. 3 fuel oil No. 3 distillate No. 3 diesel fuel Distillate
    No. 4 fuel oil No. 4 distillate No. 4 residual fuel oil Distillate/Residual 12-70
    No. 5 fuel oil No. 5 residual fuel oil Heavy fuel oil Residual 12-70
    No. 6 fuel oil No. 6 residual fuel oil Heavy fuel oil Residual 20-70

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeds View Post
    what fuel would the planes use? i'm guessing they would have a few litres onboard

    Turbine powered US Navy helicopters- JP5 (a kerosene based fuel with a higher flash point than Jet A. The higher flash point reduces the chance of fire caused by exposure to surrounding high temperatures. For example- consider aircraft on an aircraft carrier, if one aircraft catches fire, the nearby aircraft are better protected from fire.)
    JP 4 was used from the '50 to the early '90 for military turboshaft powered aircraft. JP4 was a 50/50 mixture of gasoline and kerosene. JP8 replaced JP4 in the early '90s. JP8 is less flammable and offers better combat survivability. It is the primary fuel for military turboshaft powered aircraft. (except carrier based aircraft)

    Trivia: You can identify aviation fuels by their color. 100LL is blue, Jet A and JP5 are clear. Dyes are used in aviation fuel for safety reasons. Putting Jet A in a piston powered aircraft would lead to an engine failure and possible crash. 100LL in a turbine is bad also, as the engine would run very hot and become damaged

    Jet Fuel


    JP-8, or JP8 (for "Jet Propellant 8") is a jet fuel, specified in 1990 by the U.S. government. It is kerosene-based. It is a replacement for the JP-4 fuel; the U.S. Air Force replaced JP-4 with JP-8 completely by the fall of 1996, to use a less flammable, less hazardous fuel for better safety and combat survivability. U.S. Navy uses a similar formula to JP-8, JP-5. JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34. It is specified by MIL-DTL-83133 and British Defence Standard 91-87.

    In the U.S. military, JP-8 and JP-5 are used in the diesel engines of nearly all tactical ground vehicles and electrical generators. The M1 Abrams series of battle tanks also uses JP fuel in its gas turbine engine. The use of a single fuel for most combat applications greatly simplifies wartime logistics.

    Commercial aviation uses a similar mixture under the name Jet-A. JP-8 in addition contains icing inhibitor, corrosion inhibitors, lubricants, and antistatic agents.

    JP-5 has even higher flash point than JP-8, but it also has prohibitively higher cost, limiting its use to aircraft carriers.

    Outside of powering aircraft, JP-8 is used as a fuel for heaters, stoves, tanks, internal combustion engine powered electrical generators (as a replacement for diesel fuel), and other military vehicles, and serves as a coolant in engines and some other aircraft components.

    JP-8 contains less benzene (a carcinogen) and less n-hexane (a neurotoxin) than JP-4. However, it also smells stronger than JP-4. JP-8 has an oily feel to the touch, while JP-4 feels more like a solvent. Workers have complained of smelling and tasting JP-8 for hours after exposure. As JP-8 is less volatile, it remains on the contaminated surfaces for longer time, increasing the risk of exposure.[1]

    JP-8+100 is a version of JP-8 with an additive that increases its thermal stability by 56°C (100°F). The additive is a combination of a surfactant, metal deactivator, and an antioxidant. It was introduced in 1994. The additive reduces coking and fouling in engine fuel systems. Commercially, this additive is used in Boeing aircraft operated by KLM, and in police helicopters in Tampa, Florida. [1] It is also used as fuel for Canadian CF-18 Hornets.

    JP-8 fuel is used at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, for heating, electrical generation, and melting ice for water. It is used because it will not gel at low temperatures.

    JP-8 is also used by Army Food Service Specialists (cooks) to fuel Modern Burner Units (MBUs) IAW Army Field Feeding Manual FM 10-23.

    JP-8 is used for military diesel engines too. Because Cetane number is not specified this aviation fuel is causing troubles in modern highly supercharged engines during cold start and idling due to low compression temperatures and following ignition delay. Because lubricity is not specified, modern rail diesel engines can experience problems in high pressure fuel pumps and injectors.

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