Thread: Isn't it time to get serious and start cruching cars?

Testosterone,,,wooohoo what thing that is!!

If you had a moped you will soup it up and se how fast it goes....
If you had a Billy cart you'd put on pneumatic tyres and see how fast goes...
If your mate had a 12 speed treadly you had to have an 18 speed and see how fast you could go....
R/C car.... put a bigger motor in and see how fast it goes....

In Indonesia motorcycles are limited to 250cc unles you are in government or hold a vip special permit.
Most motorcycles are about 125 cc step through postie style things. Every few kms in the city areas you will find a shop offering , bigger brakes, carbies, bling etc. Most of these things are hotted up to one extent or another. It is natural state of mankind to want to go faster and further no matter what.

When motorcars were first available a man on a horse had to ride in front of the car carrying a red flag to make sure the car did not go too fast and the public were safe.

Maybe someone would like to volunteer for a flag bearing job?

Sad that many young people aren't going to grow older, but it is the way we are built and no amount of money, education, gadgets or law making can give inexperienced people experience nor make idiots intelligent.

But, YES, crush the car before they do it themselves with their friends in it and somebodies family around it., its a great idea.

Cheers

I dontr think crushing cars is the answer except maybe in extreme cases. It has been in play here in WA now for some time with Anti-Hoon legislation and as predicted has been used for everything and anything that the legislation was not intended for. Police Commissioner, ministers etc said it would not be abused by the police, but it has frequently for minor offences and unsubstantiated reports by public members. It is highly vulnerable to abuse and for use as a vengence tool.
Do not get me wrong hoons should be penalised, but wahat is fair and equal is very debatable eg doing a burnout in the centre of town in a high pedestrian area compared to doing same burnout on an isolated non populated, clear stretch of road. Doing a slow speed burnout compared to ahigh speed one. Doing 130kmph compared to 300kmph (and yes I have seen that done). Inadvertently spinning wheels on a greasy road after light rain (and yes I know someone that had their car impounded for this). Doing a wheelie on a bike on a main road or doing one in a public space off road or on a dirt track. Then of course there is DUI and DD that do not come under this legislation. Now these are the most important ommissions and far more serious than most of the things you can have your car impounded or crushed for in WA.
The way the law is set up in WA you could basically be pinged for any off road driving in your 4x4, so be carefull what you wish for.
I ultimatelly think it should have to relate to a dangerous driving or DUI, DD charge before anti hoon legislation comes into play, not for minor traffic offences.
Yes we need to stop some of the road toll, but people also need to be accountable and still the biggest killers are alcohol, fatigue and speed.

Stupidity cant be banned unfortunately. Hindsight is great but I dare say a lot of can look back and say "geez we were lucky not to kill ourselves".

Instead of crushing their cars I would rather have the hoon be forced to watch his car being auctioned off at a redicuously low price (auction only available to people over 25) or perhaps some of the higer quality hoon cars could be used as under cover cop cars similar to the way that old cars are being recycled for speed cameras.

Being an ambo have dealt with similar cases but the most memorable was a cruiser ute full of teens rolling in a paddock whilst doing circle work. Not going very fast but when sitting in the tray you have a good chance of ending up squashed underneath the vehicle.

I remeber an accident a few years back where a car full of teens hit a bridge and one of the metal railings went straight through the car and through one of the passengers and making a horrible mess. This kid was well under 18 and his bogan family and friends made a roadside memorial for him - they all left cans of bundy rum!!

Nothing will be achieved until that particular mindset can be changed.

Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

It is worse now, there are more motorists on the road.
A hoon spends lots of money on there "pride a joy" so do their mates, but why soup up the VN Commodore of Ef Falcon or Nissan etc lower it, put a noisy exhaust performance system into it and blue print and balance, put boost gauges and what ever on their cars only to drive sedately?
NO! they want to see how fast their machine will go, it is showing off to mates comparing the level of testrone their vehicle can acheive.
I can't see many accident fatality reports of a KE70 Corolla wrapped around a tree.

It's the same as a 4WD owner, putting swampers on, having a 6" lift, dislocating suspension only to drive around the city..... they will want to see how their rig performs, so they go bush,where it's meant to be, the young hoon is the same he wants to see how fast his car can go. But instead of booking into a race track he decides to do it in on the streets.
Imaging if the 4WD drives mounted steps in Melb to check their articulation or race around the lawns of the botantical gardens and parks to get off road? There would be public out cry
I notice that it seems to be the young male drivers, you don't see too many females with Frangpanni stickers on their vehicles wrapped around trees or poles

Have you ever heard the saying it's a free country, if you want all of the controls on what we can do and buy, go live in North Korea or some other Despot State, Regards Frank.

it's all in the mindset. until that changes, everything else is a band aid fix.
the turbo/V8 laws are flat out stupid. so no P-plater can drive a 3.9 D1, but they can jump straight into an E46 M3...hhmm wonder which one is more likely to cause trouble...
the whole licensing system is stupid, frustrates the hell out of me just thinking about it!

EDIT: and no, it's not time to start crushing cars. It's not their fault they have an idiot driving them! Auction them off, suspend the driver, whatever...but crushing cars is just a waste of what is usually a nice vehicle!

My gripe is with modern Policing.
Sure, I had my fun as a young bloke on deserted back roads. I got pulled up one night in my 69 VF Valiant with a 318 pulling I don't know how fast I was going as I was scared to look at the speedo. Sure I got pulled over, verbally roto-rooted by the copper and threatened with many forms of testicular removal if caught again.
Since then in over 1 000 000 K's of driving I've had 2 Tickets for speeding.
Lesson learnt? You betcha!

We used to go to the Warragul Drive In, have a few cans, (OK maybe more than just a few), and drive home. We always got breathalyzed leaving the drive in, and were always told to go straight home and that if we were caught out on the roads again that night we were goners, and we believed and respected the Coppers for that. I don't recall anybody doing their ticket for DUI.
Lesson learnt? You betcha!

Nowadays if a Copper gave a young feller a fair telling off the Copper would be up on charges.

Now for my real Beef.
Speed Cameras.

Imagine a scenario,

A young male is a few cans and a few KMpH over the limit.
Travels through a speed camera and gets a pretty picture taken.
He runs a red light and kills a Family.
Sure, he's got a speeding fine and an dead family to deal with on his conscience, plus the time in Jail with a big gay Maori to make life interesting for a few years.

If a flesh and blood Copper had pulled him over and breathalyzed him, we get a speeding, drunk driver off the road instantly and a family still alive.

Which scenario do you prefer?

Originally Posted by strangy

Sad that many young people aren't going to grow older, but it is the way we are built and no amount of money, education, gadgets or law making can give inexperienced people experience nor make idiots intelligent.

But, YES, crush the car before they do it themselves with their friends in it and somebodies family around it., its a great idea.

Cheers

I think cars should be impounded and courts order it crushed [and any order to crussh the car should be subject to appeal if the owner wants], which means the abuse by police cannot happen as in the WA example in another post. When the car is crushed it should be returned to the owner in a crushed codition for him to dispose of at his expense, which will make them think next time. Crushing should not be for first offense except 170 in a 70 zone while drunk type offence. But repeat offenders should get cars crushed.

Most of these hoons have drunk and it should be strictly zero alcohol limit on driving. A airline pilot, as well as Truck and Bus Drivers have a Zero limit as scientific studys show even just glass affects our judgement, and slows reaction times. Governments bow to the alcohol industry not to make the zero limit wider.

Why is it a government problem?,why do parents let thier kids have those types of cars?.When my son is 18 an buys a car he won't be buying any type of performance car,if he decides too and being a teenager he will he'll find all his cloths on the lawn and his room made into my study. Pat