Isn't it time to get serious and start cruching cars?

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I notice that it seems to be the young male drivers, you don't see too many females with Frangpanni stickers on their vehicles wrapped around trees or poles[/QUOTE]

The most mind numbing recent case of a hoon driver crashing and killing passengers in a vehicle happened a few weeks before Christmas last year when a female driver aged in her mid thirty's crashed and killed three passengers (she was the aunt to one of the deceased) and left another two with serious injuries ( that's right the car was overloaded) near Cessnock in NSW. It was on a well known local street used as a speedway for hoon drivers and this case stands out in my mind because of her age and she was female. AT WHAT AGE DO SOME PEOPLE GROW UP.:o:o She escaped virtually unhurt by the way.:mad: The vehicle was travelling at high speed and crashed off the road into a tree and the thing that gets me is that the crash site is about four hundred metres from a T-intersection how, she would have pulled up in time, I have no idea.:angry:

Saddest thing I ever saw was a bloke crouched down by a cross on the side of the road with tears streaming down his face.

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Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

Yes I suppose your right it is a free country.
Hoons have the Free right to kill themselves and those of us that have no say in it.
Let's be barbaric and have no laws!
No disrepect BUT HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY ONE CLOSE TO YOU KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT?
I HAVE TWICE -So don't preach about FREE WILL
The loved ones I lost had no right or freedom, they were taken BY SPEEDING OTHER DRIVERS!:mad::mad:

Yes your right, I should move to North Korea BEFORE SOME ONE BECOMES THE "HAT TRICK"

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Who the **** is talking about Free Will, not me sport.
I'm talking about Knee Jerk, Dumb-arse laws that do NOTHING to curb the road toll, all they do is penalise the majority because of the brainless few.
Want ZERO ROAD TOLL, then BAN all motor vehicles, close all the roads, ****ing stupid isn't it, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by CraigE

An XR6 is actually a very mundane car in terms of performance and as said just as a few more luxuries with no more power. On par with a Commodore V6 etc. There are a lot more high performance 4 cyl cars out there no one is questioning. Anyway what is wrong with having a nice car? Maybe we should include 4x4s in this debate, due to high centre of gravity, ability to damage pristine wilderness etc.
Any car can and will have the same result if driven wrecklesly. The majority of fatalities from high speed actually do not involve high performance cars but mundane daily drivers.
Oh and there were names we had for people that drove Lasers:p:twisted::eek:
Now do you likebing labeled?? I have had V8s since I was 17 and am not a dangerous or wreckless driver.
Oh and whatt about V8 Land Rovers, Supercharged Range Rovers and Turbo diesels??? Road bikes (most 250s will do 200kmph), power boats, jet skis etc

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You gotta be kidding, an XR6 has heaps of torque in a vehicle with stiff suspension and great handling that sends you over the speed limit before you know it. Unfortunately most new cars are similar unless you are in a Terios or other waste of space, as far as i am concerned P platers should not be in any grey import jap sports cars like nissan silvia's/ toyota soarers etc. Of course we all know its not the car that kills but the idiot driving but even so dont give them the opportunity . Kids will always speed and drive stupidly to impress their mates just dont give them a shotgun when an air rifle will do.

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Why is it a government problem?,why do parents let thier kids have those types of cars?.When my son is 18 an buys a car he won't be buying any type of performance car,if he decides too and being a teenager he will he'll find all his cloths on the lawn and his room made into my study. Pat

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Geez you're a hardman... pat.:p

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

You gotta be kidding, an XR6 has heaps of torque in a vehicle with stiff suspension and great handling that sends you over the speed limit before you know it. Unfortunately most new cars are similar unless you are in a Terios or other waste of space, as far as i am concerned P platers should not be in any grey import jap sports cars like nissan silvia's/ toyota soarers etc. Of course we all know its not the car that kills but the idiot driving but even so dont give them the opportunity . Kids will always speed and drive stupidly to impress their mates just dont give them a shotgun when an air rifle will do.

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Are you talking an XR6 or an XR6 Turbo? Because performance wise they are worlds appart. We looked at an XR6 and XR6 turbo options before buying the Stato and the XR6 in base form while it goes allright is by no means a performance car. If you think it is you have been driving Land Rovers too long.;) About on par with the V6 Commodore, Subaru Impezza base or Mitsubishi Lancer base, Toyota Aurion etc etc. The performance variants of these cars are something else. The XR6 Turbo is a different kettle of fish altogether.
The whole philosophy is floored as it does not take into account power to weight, just power. For example means when my daughter gets her license she can not borrow the Statesman at all. Even the D2 4litre V8 we hae in the drive. But she can go and drive a BMW, Merc etc that have smaller capacity but can cruise and accelerate a lot faster.
Rarely do you see HSVs, SSs and XR8 and XR6 Turbos at the wreckers. Most accidents involve ****ed middle age people in mundane shopping trolleys and 4x4s. Last 3 serious ones we attended involving speed of some sort were Hyunda Elantra, Mitsubishi Lancer and VP Holden Commodore executive V6. Yes some involve speed and one we had a while back involved a really nice but base model BF (XR model I think - base Falcon 6) that hit a drain at around 180kmph. Ofcourse performance car owners have accidents also, but not at any higher rate than any other particular car type owner and if anything less so.

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Originally Posted by Sparksdisco

I heard them all before:p

Any way i dident need a big,fast or, flash car to feel excepted, liked, more of a man or to get the girls.

;););):p:p:p

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That is actually my point. Each to their own. Just because you choose a Laser and I chose an SS Torana as our first cars, that does not make us any less anything, but it is a choice and you should not be imposing your thoughts or restrictions on others. Had no trouble being liked, picking up girls etc wether it was in my SS, my HQ bush pv or a mates new Merc, even in a Pajero. So I think that is irrelevant. Like saying you are over compensating by having a 4x4.:o:p
I just like Old Holdens and V8s. There are just as many 4cyl cars that can put out 300kw plus no problems.
I do agree with a power to weight restriction to a certain point, but my kids when they get their license should be able to borrow the LRs or the Stato.
Oh and my 83 grandmother drives a Laser:p:p:p:p

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Originally Posted by CraigE

Are you talking an XR6 or an XR6 Turbo? Because performance wise they are worlds appart. We looked at an XR6 and XR6 turbo options before buying the Stato and the XR6 in base form while it goes allright is by no means a performance car. If you think it is you have been driving Land Rovers too long.;) About on par with the V6 Commodore, Subaru Impezza base or Mitsubishi Lancer base, Toyota Aurion etc etc. The performance variants of these cars are something else. The XR6 Turbo is a different kettle of fish altogether.
The whole philosophy is floored as it does not take into account power to weight, just power. For example means when my daughter gets her license she can not borrow the Statesman at all. Even the D2 4litre V8 we hae in the drive. But she can go and drive a BMW, Merc etc that have smaller capacity but can cruise and accelerate a lot faster.
Rarely do you see HSVs, SSs and XR8 and XR6 Turbos at the wreckers. Most accidents involve ****ed middle age people in mundane shopping trolleys and 4x4s. Last 3 serious ones we attended involving speed of some sort were Hyunda Elantra, Mitsubishi Lancer and VP Holden Commodore executive V6. Yes some involve speed and one we had a while back involved a really nice but base model BF (XR model I think - base Falcon 6) that hit a drain at around 180kmph. Ofcourse performance car owners have accidents also, but not at any higher rate than any other particular car type owner and if anything less so.

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The Victorian P plate system does operate on a power to weight ratio and if the car was a normally aspirated XR6 it was legal for a P plater. NSW is a bit sillier with a blanket ban on V8s or petrol turbos regardless of power to weight except for a few oddball exceptions.
Regards,
Tote

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I notice that it seems to be the young male drivers, you don't see too many females with Frangpanni stickers on their vehicles wrapped around trees or poles[/QUOTE]
Actually you do. Come to a few MVAs and you will see very few are performance cars. Of course it does happen but in no where near the numbers you are inferring. Most are base model shopping trolleys and 4x4s. Most alcohol, drugs or fatigue, some speed but most at around or less than the posted limit. Very common to see Frangipanni cars in someones garden or fence.
The single biggest problem is alcohol and drug driving. Gravel roads are a common source of wrecks around here and most do not involve alcohol or speed.
Also look at the real stats, males generally spend many times more hours behind the wheel than females so ofcourse the proportion will be higher.
Not condoning reckless behaviour at all, but look at all the facts, not just a small part of the scenario and find a decent scenario. Until we start taking Drunk and Drug driving seriously we will not get anywhere even if we speed limit cars to 110kmph.

Just to clarify a point (which has been made several times already). The XR6 Falcon has exactly the same motor as a base model Falcon. It does have slightly different suspension, same brakes and better seating. I seriously doubt the better suspension package would make any difference. All other things (except the XR6) being the same, it still would have happen (unfortunately)

Paul