is anyone on here a teacher

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Originally Posted by EchiDna

Cheers mate, I figure the private system would probably reward me better than the public for my past experience, but that's hard to quantify! more research needed ;-)

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Having worked in some very rough schools through to one of the most, if not the most prestigious schools in Australia, I can tell you now that you wont be rewarded any more than any other teacher in that school – just the same as if a teacher came into your current profession as a newbie they would be paid on a starting scale. Each system or each school has its own award structure and that’s what they almost always stick to unless you have something specifically that they want and they have to pay extra to get that option on you. If they're not a top end independent school, then you've got no chance of getting anything extra – I can barely think of a handful of people who have had this in my 17 years of teaching. At the end of the day, to a school, you are a first year out teacher who is unproven at the art of teaching and who is essentially an unknown – the schools don’t owe you anything because you’re retraining, and if you can get anything then you’re onto a good thing but don’t come into education expecting anything especially as there isn't money to throw around. There will be others who will apply when the school advertises a position and amongst many things, they will be looking for excellence as a educator, high energy, involvement and a commitment to the schools ethos. If there is a school that you really want to be a part of, I highly recommend that you do a practicum at that school, preferably your final one as this allows you to show the school who you are and what you’re like as a person and an educator. Based on that, the school will either short list you as a really good and cheap option (as a 1st yr teacher), or it will confirm that they don’t want you. I would also confirm that you can teach all of those subjects as the schools may see things differently. You will have needed to study the correct courses at Uni etc to teach them. I can see that you will have used a lot of maths in engineering, but that doesn’t mean that you are qualified to teach HSC or Ext2 (4unit) Maths. Similar with Woody, he may be the most awesome boiler maker in Aus, but Industrial Technology in schools is much broader than boiler making.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Having worked in some very rough schools through to one of the most, if not the most prestigious schools in Australia, I can tell you now that you wont be rewarded any more than any other teacher in that school – just the same as if a teacher came into your current profession as a newbie they would be paid on a starting scale. Each system or each school has its own award structure and that’s what they almost always stick to unless you have something specifically that they want and they have to pay extra to get that option on you. If they're not a top end independent school, then you've got no chance of getting anything extra – I can barely think of a handful of people who have had this in my 17 years of teaching. At the end of the day, to a school, you are a first year out teacher who is unproven at the art of teaching and who is essentially an unknown – the schools don’t owe you anything because you’re retraining, and if you can get anything then you’re onto a good thing but don’t come into education expecting anything especially as there isn't money to throw around. There will be others who will apply when the school advertises a position and amongst many things, they will be looking for excellence as a educator, high energy, involvement and a commitment to the schools ethos. If there is a school that you really want to be a part of, I highly recommend that you do a practicum at that school, preferably your final one as this allows you to show the school who you are and what you’re like as a person and an educator. Based on that, the school will either short list you as a really good and cheap option (as a 1st yr teacher), or it will confirm that they don’t want you. I would also confirm that you can teach all of those subjects as the schools may see things differently. You will have needed to study the correct courses at Uni etc to teach them. I can see that you will have used a lot of maths in engineering, but that doesn’t mean that you are qualified to teach HSC or Ext2 (4unit) Maths. Similar with Woody, he may be the most awesome boiler maker in Aus, but Industrial Technology in schools is much broader than boiler making.

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Well in my little corner of industry, we sure don't treat 40+ year olds as newbies even with a new degree as they all come with life experience that has value in leading a team, motivating others etc etc. Still I know what you mean about award rates.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Having worked in some very rough schools through to one of the most, if not the most prestigious schools in Australia, I can tell you now that you wont be rewarded any more than any other teacher in that school – just the same as if a teacher came into your current profession as a newbie they would be paid on a starting scale. Each system or each school has its own award structure and that’s what they almost always stick to unless you have something specifically that they want and they have to pay extra to get that option on you. If they're not a top end independent school, then you've got no chance of getting anything extra – I can barely think of a handful of people who have had this in my 17 years of teaching. At the end of the day, to a school, you are a first year out teacher who is unproven at the art of teaching and who is essentially an unknown – the schools don’t owe you anything because you’re retraining, and if you can get anything then you’re onto a good thing but don’t come into education expecting anything especially as there isn't money to throw around. There will be others who will apply when the school advertises a position and amongst many things, they will be looking for excellence as a educator, high energy, involvement and a commitment to the schools ethos. If there is a school that you really want to be a part of, I highly recommend that you do a practicum at that school, preferably your final one as this allows you to show the school who you are and what you’re like as a person and an educator. Based on that, the school will either short list you as a really good and cheap option (as a 1st yr teacher), or it will confirm that they don’t want you. I would also confirm that you can teach all of those subjects as the schools may see things differently. You will have needed to study the correct courses at Uni etc to teach them. I can see that you will have used a lot of maths in engineering, but that doesn’t mean that you are qualified to teach HSC or Ext2 (4unit) Maths. Similar with Woody, he may be the most awesome boiler maker in Aus, but Industrial Technology in schools is much broader than boiler making.

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Yep agree Simon.
Cheers

Is it just me?
Studying for a position with little to no vacancies is just mind boggling!

Are those doing just that right no 'for real'

Just because its been a long term target just doesn't cut it.
I wanted to be a Spaceman... But there weren't enough openings or positions to risk it!

i doubt anyone who is doing their degree ow or who has done it have ever said they did it for the money. I feel like if for some reason this did not work out i could always fall back on doing a trade.
the risk is worth it to me

That's not what I said.

I said doing a trade or degree for a position with No Jobs at the end of it seems odd!!!!

Hecs debt and no job isn't a nice spot to be!

As for doing a job you love...
If you land one of those you never work a day in your life!!!

it is not odd too me. I know i will get a job when i am finished. For those who may have to wait, well they have chosen to do teaching( using that as an example seeing as it is the subject at hand) because they wanted to do that, they have gone out of their way to challenge themselves to do something they really want to.
Some people may have to do other jobs or just casual for a while but everyone who does their degree will be able to get a job.

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Originally Posted by schmierer LR at singleton

but everyone who does their degree will be able to get a job.

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I wouldn't count on that.

I think everyone who does a teaching degree will be able to get a job. But as others have said before some people are not prepared to take some of the jobs ie out of the cities

well I can tell you of the 140+ in my university course on day 1, about half graduated and almost none are working in the field in which they studied. In pure economic terms, its stupid to take on debt when you are young in a field where the rewards may not equate to break even or worse if you cannot find a job. Of course there are shed-loads of other pieces in the puzzle that aren't economic related ;-)