Thread: Land Rover Based ?

A few years ago they started selling the Santana in UK (Model as photos) and they were I believe nearly 1/2 the price of a defender. But still didn`t sell too many. Still have leave springs and i think a Spanish built 2Litre diesel

Ian

Originally Posted by PAT303

Anyone know what engine-drivetrain they run?

The vehicle in the picture is a Santana PS10, also sold in almost identical configuration as an IVECO Massif.

It has an IVECO 2.8TD
The front diff looks roverish, the rear diff is almost the size of a salisbury/nissan H260 but is a banjo style - apparently made by IVECO.

They were supposed to have an LT85, however I would expect that these days they may have a complete IVECO drivetrain.

Edit - seems the Massif has a few differences - or they have changed engines...

The Massif was styled by Giorgetto Giugiaro and the Iveco Style Centre. The Massif bares a clear family resemblance to its sister product the Santana PS-10 which itself was heavily based on the Land Rover Defender. Automotive critics have drawn obvious physical comparisons between the Iveco Massif and Land Rover’s Defender.

The Massif is available with 2 versions of Iveco’s 3.0 litre diesel engine taken from the Iveco Daily van. A 150 PS (110 kW; 148 bhp) HPI version with 350 N·m (258 lb·ft) of torque and a 176 PS (129 kW; 174 bhp) HPT version with 400 N·m (295 lb·ft) of torque are available. The extra horsepower of the HPT version comes from a variable geometry turbocharger. Both engines meet Euro IV emissions standards.

The Massif is fitted with a 6 speed ZF 6S400 overdrive manual gearbox with high and low range ratios. No automatic is available. The Massif also has selectable 4 wheel drive, not permanent, like its current Land Rover rival. This is intended to reduce fuel consumption, claimed as “up to 10%” by Iveco. The decision to have selectable 4-wheel drive is believed to be because Iveco suggest permanent 4-wheel drive is unnecessary for the majority of driving conditions. The Massif is usually in 4x2 rear wheel drive unless 4-wheel drive is engaged.

The Massif is also fitted with manual-locking free-wheeling hubs on the front axles which prevent the rotation of front axle components supposedly to reduce wear. An optional limited slip rear differential is also an available to improve off-road ability by reducing the chance of getting cross-axled.

The Massif has all round disc brakes with ventilated discs on the front axle and simple discs on the rear axle. The Massif’s transmission brake is also a disc brake.

Either way - IMHO, apart from the leaf springs, this is the sort of vehicle spec Land Rover should be building today instead of the Puny









Hmm, a 3.0TD with 400nm of torque. How much does the Puny have again???

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Hmm, a 3.0TD with 400nm of torque. How much does the Puny have again???

I don't know offhand, but I believe the Freelander 2.2 diesel has 400nm...

I can't understand why Defnders hav such a rubbish turning circle and Santanas have such a GOOD one !?

Originally Posted by BigJon

I don't know offhand, but I believe the Freelander 2.2 diesel has 400nm...

I just checked, the Puny has 360 nm.

Originally Posted by VladTepes

I can't understand why Defnders hav such a rubbish turning circle and Santanas have such a GOOD one !?

What is the difference in turning circle???

Unimogs have a fantastic turning circle, thanks to double cardan joints in the front axle.

Originally Posted by VladTepes

I can't understand why Defnders hav such a rubbish turning circle and Santanas have such a GOOD one !?

its pommy compensation engineering.

if you cant make your CV's work properly under high angle high loads eliminate one of the highs.

since you cant really reduce the load that it might have placed on it they limited the angle.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

its pommy compensation engineering.

if you cant make your CV's work properly under high angle high loads eliminate one of the highs.

since you cant really reduce the load that it might have placed on it they limited the angle.

The swivel ball is a major limiting factor. The drive axles with the best turning angle all have open knuckle setups.

So much for copyright and patent laws, eh? I reckon the grille setip looks like a smacked bum!