Thread: Victorian Road Rules

Displaying 'P' plates....

Well considering novice drivers - provisional licence holders - are grossly over represented in serious injury and fatal collisions, the Government is expected to do something about it. Bit like running around wiping ar%ses really.

So, if you can't excercise the discipline to display two 'P' plates correctly - something so simple, then what hope is there if you obeying the more comprehensive side of the road rules??

In my experience, the young bloke or lass who wanders down to the auto store and buys a set of 'P' plate holders, instead of wedging them under the number plate, or planning on using the 'someone stole them' BS, then they're the ones who CARE about having a licence and who CARE about others on the road. Have some pride for goodness sake.

So if you get stung for not displaying your P's correctly - PUMP UP PRINCESS! Do it properly and get over it.

Bit off topic, but if tough road rules are the biggest drama in your life, you haven't lived much.

Matt.

Originally Posted by v12stuart

Hey guys i really hate some of the new Victorian road laws and i feel quite
strongly about having some of them changed so i've written a little blog thought
some of you might like to have a look at it

Angry Motorists Club

Cheers,
Stuart

Suck it up mate !!!

Maybe even learn something

You didn't pass the attitude test and he pinged you ... next time, keep your mouth shut and maybe you'll drive away with a warning.

Oh, how would I know .... you've started a blog and a thread bleating about it ... reflection of your attitude on the side of the road.

You have the opportunity to tell the nice man in the courthouse on your appointed day, so go tell it to him and see what you get.

No, I'm not a cop

have a nice day
Stevo

It really annoys me when P platers whinge about the fact that the cops are out to get them and rah rah rah rah. Before anyone says anything I've only been off my P's for just over a year now, oh and before anyone says I'm a cop lover or some bull crap i lost my license not long after getting it for exceeding the speed limit by 45km/h++. No I'm not proud of it [hence not putting down the speed i was doing], I lost my license for 12 months on the spot, plus lost it for 3 months for the points and then had 1 demerit point for 12 months after all of that.

I've never been pulled over besides that one incidence, never lost a point besides those ones, etc. I drove a 340rwkw EF fairmont with a hornet scoop on the bonnet, a car that attracted near zero attention from cops, and that was with "Vinyl sticker" red P plates put on the outside of the windows. The reason I never got pulled over was because I was never doing anything stupid, now I'm sure alot of P platers will claim that they was "just driving normal" but I've seen how alot of you drive and I did it to at one stage, but due to my ties to motor sports I realised just how stupid all the crap that they do is [this is by no means restricted to just P platers].

Now I'm not trying to say you was doing something wrong, you might not have been, however I also grew up in the wrong crowd and used to travel around in a car with a guy that had warrants out against his car [to be searched for drugs or weapons at the polices choice] and I have to tell you the way him and his mates all treated the cops was that horrid that I can completely understand their lack of respect for P platers, because of the sheer arrogance and pigheadedness of a select few of them.

As well as all of this, in my capacity as a tow truck driver we do a heap of hoon tows [out in the western suburbs] and yet again the attitudes the cops receive is ridiculous. All these people need to start taking responsibility for their actions! I know I walked into my local cop shop like 6 months after I lost my license and I thanked the copper that did me and shook his hand telling him that its really changed my opinion on things and that I thought he'd probably saved my life... Cause lets face it, insurance companies don't have an under 25 excess for no reason. The 18-25 year old bracket accounts for almost half the accidents on our roads.

I think I'll end my rant here and I hope it makes sense for everyone, and yet again I'm not trying to say that you did anything wrong mate. The cop might of been a douche that was having a crap day, but you need to understand that they treat P platers the way they do for a reason, so just follow the law to the T and you should be fine **External P Plates are the best**... oh and in reference to your mate with the evo, that whole system was setup so that people could bribe vic roads by paying the admin fee for the exemption.

its not so bad...

when I was driving trucks in sydney I had to display P plates on Heavy combination vehicles...

I got my license by converting my military license. Turned up on the day for my test on route from point a-b for a recruiting display, had 8 hours to do a 2 hours job and permission from the CO to use the combo to take my civvie test.

First instructor couldnt test me because he wasnt ticketed to drive a heavy combo.

next instructor couldnt test me because while he could drive heavy combo he wasnt lisenced for a crash box.

third instructor couldnt test me because he wasnt certified for the oversize load I had on board.

the boss came out took one look at it and simply said "you got it here, its not bent you pass"

then because my civvy car license was a old School NT one and not on the NSW data base when driving a civillian truck I had to display P plates because NSW had no record of me holding a civvy license.

try explaining to a cop whose just pulled you over for displaying P plates on a double articulated truck that no, you are not cocking about and yes, by law I have to display P plates on this oversize load.

Originally Posted by sschmez

Suck it up mate !!!

Maybe even learn something

You didn't pass the attitude test and he pinged you ... next time, keep your mouth shut and maybe you'll drive away with a warning.

Oh, how would I know .... you've started a blog and a thread bleating about it ... reflection of your attitude on the side of the road.

You have the opportunity to tell the nice man in the courthouse on your appointed day, so go tell it to him and see what you get.

No, I'm not a cop

have a nice day
Stevo

Not quite the way I would have said it, but I have similar sentiments. The law might be an ass, but it is still the law.

Respect for the intent and application of the law is sadly lacking in the 18 to 25 yo age group, somehow they seem to 'know better'.

Vic has a big prob (as a percentage of preventable grief) with young blokes getting in whatever car with their mates and coming unstuck, primarily because the law is a minor consideration in decision making.

Darwinism in action, but not ideal.

cheers, DL

Have you paid the fine?
don't mean to give you ideas but the logic of this has me puzzled:

IF the P plate was "obscured" ...how did the policeman know it was a P plate.

..did he take a photo to prove his point in case you objected?

Get advice on the interpretation of the law regarding a definition of "obscuring" wrt dirty windows..

my point is that there must have been sufficient clarity for him to recognise it for what it was: viz a P plate ... so what's his gripe...he could either see it or he couldn't ...?

just asking the question... perhaps a well written letter explaining the situation... or be brave and take it to court if you are really vexed about the fairness of the policeman's interpretation of the law. A Magistrate is more inclined to be swayed by a well argued case than a bureaucrat behind a desk... all depends on how far you are willing to argue for what you believe is a principle... if you do go to court, wear a collar and tie!

........... if you do go to court, wear a collar and tie!

plus a can opener for "the can of worms" because before you have the chance to talk they will read the history of your life if you had accidents or fines in the past

Few view points

Having lost my licence (suspensions and cancellations) 6 times in the first 4 years, that's 6 months+3 months+3 months+3months+3months+1month, I used to think "all cops are assholes"

Fact is, your still doing the wrong thing, suck it up, get over it and move on, I still think alot are assholes.....but have met some great ones in my personal life....just like real human beings

Eventually you grow up a bit....you don't stop being silly so much as get wiser, where?, when? what are the risks? is it worth it? I was pulled up atleast twice a week for those 4ish years, now, lucky to be twice a year

If you make yourself a target, you will be targetted