Thread: historic rego

Originally Posted by Dinty

Also different states have differing rules, I'm not 100% certain but I think In NSW the vehicle has to std, good luck anyway cheers Dennis

I just put my series III on H plates.
In NSW it has to be original and un modified to qualify. Several other cars at my club are in the modified category for different engines. Differences in exhaust pipes and wheels can apparently even be a problem. I wonder where they'll find all these 'experts'.. Rob.

NSW has now introduced "classic" rego as well and this caters for modified vehicles of 30 + years.

NSW RTA had a process where common approved modifications that used kits did not require individual engineering as the mod had blanket RTA approval. Two that I know of were 2" lift kits for Subarus and putting in Holden 6 cylinder engines in Landrovers. With the Landies the only oversight that was required was for the new engine and engine number to be sighted to amend records.

This process certainly was in place up to the late 80s so if the subject vehicle has been registered with the Holden engine in it then it was most likely done via this process. As such does not require engineering as it has blanket engineering approval when first done.

As far as Historic rego is concerned - period modifications to the vehicle are permitted and it has been determined that as the Holden conversion was common at the time it is considered by authorities to be a period modification. However individual clubs can determine under their own authority what additional requirements they require to be met. If your Club does not allow the Holden engine as a period modification then I would find a club that does.

Garry

Originally Posted by garrycol

NSW RTA had a process where common approved modifications that used kits did not require individual engineering as the mod had blanket RTA approval. Two that I know of were 2" lift kits for Subarus and putting in Holden 6 cylinder engines in Landrovers. With the Landies the only oversight that was required was for the new engine and engine number to be sighted to amend records.

This process certainly was in place up to the late 80s so if the subject vehicle has been registered with the Holden engine in it then it was most likely done via this process. As such does not require engineering as it has blanket engineering approval when first done.

As far as Historic rego is concerned - period modifications to the vehicle are permitted and it has been determined that as the Holden conversion was common at the time it is considered by authorities to be a period modification. However individual clubs can determine under their own authority what additional requirements they require to be met. If your Club does not allow the Holden engine as a period modification then I would find a club that does.

Garry

It would appear the problem is an individual in RMS (the registration authority), not the club.

Well, like I said I don't know everything, maybe the RMS needs a swift kick up it's collective rear and all states had the same rules, wouldn't have a clue who you would need to see, cheers dennis
ps same applies to replica & real firearms, so much for all the hype "national Uniform laws" what B/S cheers

Hi,
what Gary says is completely correct as in the old days you could install the Holden yourself and it was classed as a'type approved' conversion with no need for eng reports as it was such a simple and very common conversion. So if it has had previous rego that is all you need and no need to join a classic type club--it is a period and approved modification--in fact it is sometimes hard to find a non Holden engined LR in the country. I was even told that one LR dealer in the country would actually offer to do the conversion on a brand new vehicle such was the demand from farmers.

I am currently in the process of putting my stage one converted ambulance/camper onto classic rego (instead of simply historic) due to significant mods but it is easy to do but yes eng certs needed--which I have.
Alan

Originally Posted by garrycol

As far as Historic rego is concerned - period modifications to the vehicle are permitted and it has been determined that as the Holden conversion was common at the time it is considered by authorities to be a period modification. However individual clubs can determine under their own authority what additional requirements they require to be met. If your Club does not allow the Holden engine as a period modification then I would find a club that does.

Garry

From a recent CMC report:

There are now in excess of 600 vehicles which have taken up the CVS. In this regard, there has been some misinformation floating around about s...o-called "period modifications". Period modifications are unacceptable on the historic scheme (HVS) for unmodified cars. The word "modifications" does not apply at all with HVS (Historic Vehicle Scheme) vehicles. The correct terminology is "period options and accessories" which are at the discretion of the Club. It's good practice for your club to verify (with documentation if possible) what are genuine "period options and accessories" and to keep the information on file.
You can rest assured that, since the movement now has the CVS (Classic Vehicle Scheme) for modified vehicles, and following a period of grace, the RMS will be cracking down on vehicles which are illegally using the HVS for modified vehicles, and sanctions will apply. If you are able to identify any of these vehicles, and particularly which club they belong to, the CMC may be able to help sort them out. If a vehicle has been on full NSW registration, the new CVS (Classic Vehicle Scheme) for modified vehicles only requires a Blue Slip not necessarily an Engineers Certificate, which is only required for modifications outside the guidelines set out by the RMS in their VSI-06 Modifications paper..

You could always have a bit of a cheat by painting the Holden in LR engine colour and stamping the LR engine no. on it. I know this was done on at least three occasions about 1980 when installing Chrysler Hemi 6's in Series III LR's. The Holden was an approved conversion in Qld. but the Hemi was not (too big in capacity). So paint the Hemi Holden Engine Red and hie thee off to Rare Spares for a set of Holden engine decals, carefully remove the Chrysler engine no. and stamp Holden one from a busted engine that won't go back into service.