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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Hold the bus, let's not be using my name in vain....

When a man posts a thread that pretty much states...."I've done my research and the D4 is inferior to the LC200 for my purposes"....you've got to expect some scrutiny. When your research amounts to nothing, not once but twice....you have to expect to reap what you sow. Come on Terry...this is ridiculous. At least some of us have tried to explain what the concerns with that approach are.... Some wouldn't give you the time of day on any forum! It has nothing to do with the D4 or any Brand (Toyota, Nissan) whatsoever, it's the concern of not having facts to back anything you say.....twice. And the manner that the statement was presented in didn't help either.

Geez…..

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Celtoid I didn't use your name in vain ...in fact all I did was basically quote you.

You were the one who said you flamed Grumdriva, I only agreed with you that you did and from that I think what you did was unfair.

Regarding other websites forums and how people get treated, basically it is not relevant how other people behave on other websites when a prickly topic is raised, there is not here.

It would be a terrible shame if this website ended up down at the level of some other websites because that is how they behave.

While I have only been a member here a relatively short time I can say with some certainty seldom does anyone flame another member over Land Rover related discussions. Yes things can get heated but in nearly every case I have observed that has been about off subject discussions that are totally unrelated to Land Rovers and or any other 4x4's.

Anyway more than likely it is about time to move on from this topic. I very much look forward to having further discussions with D3 / D4 owners when I hopefully shortly purchase the replacement for my good old D2a.

cheers,
Terry

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Celtoid I didn't use your name in vain ...in fact all I did was basically quote you.

You were the one who said you flamed Grumdriva, I only agreed with you that you did and from that I think what you did was unfair.

Regarding other websites forums and how people get treated, basically it is not relevant how other people behave on other websites when a prickly topic is raised, there is not here.

While I have only been a member here a relatively short time I can say with some certainty seldom does anyone flame another member over Land Rover related discussions. Yes things can get heated but in nearly every case I have observed that has been about off subject discussions that are totally unrelated to Land Rovers and or any other 4x4's.

Anyway more than likely it is about time to move on from this topic. I very much look forward to having further discussions with D3 / D4 owners when I hopefully shortly purchase the replacement for my good old D2a.

cheers,
Terry

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Terry,

You inferred that I flamed him for considering a Toyo.....hopefully you'll see by now that that was never the case, it never had anything to do with his choice of car. He can buy what he likes, as long as he's happy.

And as Gordon stated...flaming and beltings are only terms...people were frustrated by the repeated nature and the 'solidity' of the same facts but I don't think anybody was intending to get personal or extreme.

But you're right mate, time to move on.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by D3Watty

I have bitten my tongue and held off replying to comments on this post but think a post is now in order.

Terry O, I think you've missed the point that some are making here and your comments re people on this forum definitely unfair. It's not that Grumndriva questioned the abilities of the D4 that raised peoples ire, rather that when advice and reason were given he did not acknowledge it. In fact some advice was completely ignored.

Having viewed plenty of other 4x4 forums I think I can safely say that you couldn't get a more helpful, upfront and honest lot than those on this forum.

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Hello Wattie,

Are you speaking about the D3 / D4 forum in particular or the whole of AULRO?

I have not said that everyone or even most in the D3/D4 group are quick to arc up, far from it I have seen lots of members here and that includes Celtoid previously be very patient and helpful to others, including myself.

What I did say and I'm not the only one to notice it, there are few on here that are a bit thin skinned and appear quick to jump.
As I said maybe that is because some D3 / D4 members have only ever owned D3 onwards Landy's and have not experienced first hand how other long term members in other groups like the D1 /D2 / Fender groups interact.

There is no slight in or meant in what I said.

cheers,
Terry

how about we close this thread, kiss and make up and someone please tell me what the correct response is when my wife says "I don't think we need a D4 at the moment - lets talk about it again in 6 months" ????? and i have to keep driving around in a red girlie toyota starlet !!!!

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Originally Posted by ozscott

You jinxed me! My alternator just died at 170k! My D1 died at 200k, ...

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Gday ...

and to add a little twisted grin ..... ;) ... I too had my alternator die in the D3 TDV6 at 88,000km this arvo coming back from Melbourne ... bit young I would have thought ... oh well.

Oh Yeah - this thread sure has been an interested read from the sidelines ... spirited debate ... agree it should probably wind up now ... wonder how you blokes go around the BBQ :D
Cheers

John

I waded through most of this thread but can't reconcile the nominated 3.0 D4's payload, as my SE's rego papers show tare 2434 and GVM 3240, giving a payload of 806kg.

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Originally Posted by Rockylizard

Gday ...

and to add a little twisted grin ..... ;) ... I too had my alternator die in the D3 TDV6 at 88,000km this arvo coming back from Melbourne ... bit young I would have thought ... oh well.

Oh Yeah - this thread sure has been an interested read from the sidelines ... spirited debate ... agree it should probably wind up now ... wonder how you blokes go around the BBQ :D
Cheers

John

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That is young John. Its components that often let a manufacturer down. I once owned a new Commodore and it had power steer pumps and air con compressors failing left right and centre - all components from outside GMH. Same with LR but at least their stuff usually lasts better than Holden. Having said that I dont know of any Land Rovers that go to say 250,000k without some component failure - whether it be window regulations, alternator, clutch fan, etc.

Cheers

Yes each to their own. There is no doubt that a WDH on a D2 with SLS is extremely useful in putting more weight up front with more stopping power and turning power particularly on a dirt road. Not even considering what is level.

With the extra weight of a D3/4 and the extra electronics up front it may well be superior as a tug to a D2 SLS with WDH. I can't help think though that if the D4 computer programmes were able to adjust for a WDH then it would be even better.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

That is young John. Its components that often let a manufacturer down. I once owned a new Commodore and it had power steer pumps and air con compressors failing left right and centre - all components from outside GMH. Same with LR but at least their stuff usually lasts better than Holden. Having said that I dont know of any Land Rovers that go to say 250,000k without some component failure - whether it be window regulations, alternator, clutch fan, etc.

Cheers

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My 1999 D2 and my 2001 VX Commodore have done about the same Km. The Commodore has had to have engine mounts replace on top of normal service but not a thing else. This car has been the best most reliable car ever.

D2 starting at about 18 000km has had nearly every thing replaced. Engine (big ends) oil seals. radiator. alternator , auto box. turbo. compressor. air bags. starter , fuel regulator and on it goes. There is no reason to keep it just emotional stuff like love driving it. I am sorry but LR do not have runs on the board for " lasting"

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Originally Posted by John W

My 1999 D2 and my 2001 VX Commodore have done about the same Km. The Commodore has had to have engine mounts replace on top of normal service but not a thing else. This car has been the best most reliable car ever.

D2 starting at about 18 000km has had nearly every thing replaced. Engine (big ends) oil seals. radiator. alternator , auto box. turbo. compressor. air bags. starter , fuel regulator and on it goes. There is no reason to keep it just emotional stuff like love driving it. I am sorry but LR do not have runs on the board for " lasting"

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I've owned two VT Bombadors and they both needed rods replaced in the steering and had weepy P/steering pumps. One (the series 2 I think)needed new engine mounts. Other than that, they were great. Never missed a beat.

Crap fuel economy round town thou....LOL!!!