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  1. 27th July 2011, 11:32 AM #31
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    Hi Scott,

    I guess I'm one of few who can drive both vehicles back to back, both on the road and on a race track and these are just my observations from personal experience.

    I drive to Orange quite often and anyone who has driven the road to Orange Via Taralga or Crookwell knows how bumpy those roads are and the D2 does a very good job at speed over the bumps when pushed hard. I don't mind admitting I prefer the D3 because it is so much more comfortable especially on bumpy roads but I do find myself driving slower in it believe it or not.

    I would bet the D3 could be made to handle better then a D2 with ace but that would mean changing the dampening in the shocks quite dramatically and then it would not ride as nice as it does.

    Where ACE is good is it allows you to still have a reasonably comfortable shock absorber but assists greatly with body roll and keeping the wheels on the ground when corning, it might be an old set up but it works very well.

    As far as I know the only way to get four wheel independant suspension to work really well in both ride and handling quality is to use the set up HSV has on their recent Senator Sigs and GTS models with MRS suspension. I had a new 09 Senator and its ride was very comfortable with the MRS turned off, you could hardly feel a bump, but turn it on and the handling difference was very noticeable. Around either Wakefield or Eastern Creek you wouldn't believe it was the same car once you switched it on.

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  2. 27th July 2011, 12:53 PM #32
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    Great article - I've been looking at the same changeover and wondered about all mentioned below. We will be looking next year to change the D2 ES V8 for the best that the budget will allow, probably an 06-08 HSE diesel. The boss would rather a RRS.

    The D2 ACE system definitely seems to keep the old girl ridiculously flat at silly speeds that it just shouldn't be able to do. Also, its great at letting you know you've put on a few kg's when you hit a ripply stretch of road that you commonly drive near your house!

    I've already had a couple of test drives and my biggest concern is seeing as the V8 is pretty slow with a 0-100kph of 10sec, how will the TDV6 go doing a quoted 12.5 for 0-100kph. A salesman told me he would not imagine a V8 D2 would be quicker, but after driving one I recon mine would smoke a D3???

    I'm just hoping they are deceptively quicker than they feel?
    And I know I will need to learn to drive it in the fat part of the torque curve - or FLAT to the floor???

    Also there seems like more body roll from the D3 for sure, but I don't think its horrible. I threw it around a few small bluestone (rough) roundabouts and it turns in quicker than it physically ought to IMO. But that beautiful supple ride compared to the D2 is MAGIC!

    I'll also look forward to the much better interior layout and room in the boot - it will kill my 7 seater! It's just a pitty the dash isnt a bit more attractive and befitting of the pricetag

    Yep, I'd rather a D4 cause they have addressed ALL the things I don't like about the D3 - just gotta decide whether to be patient and wait for the 4yr leases come up and a few Toorak tractors hit the market.........At recession prices

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  3. 27th July 2011, 01:02 PM #33
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    Hi Darian,

    the TDV6 with the six speed auto box is quite deceptive in how it excellerates because it is so smooth. Our one is much faster then the V8 D2a in a straight line.

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  4. 27th July 2011, 07:37 PM #34
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    anyone got a d3 tdv6 with more than 200000 kays on it?if so any dramas?just replaced my d2 with it.
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  5. 27th July 2011, 08:04 PM #35
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    I had a TD5 with ACE as well, I think it is true that it has a technically firmer and flatter cornering and maybe on a racetrack you might prefer that, but overall the D3 is so much more assured and comfortable on the road that even if I could keep everything else the same I wouldnt take the the D2 + ACE handling over the D3 handling and ride.
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  6. 27th July 2011, 08:58 PM #36
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    Fair call Terry. I thought from your first post it was race track only but as you have done bumpy too all good. Cheers
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