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During my recent D3 total engine failure problems (spun big end) I googled "Problems with Landcruisers, Problems with Nissan Patrols, then to Pajeros and Landrovers............all makes have pages of unhappy customers.
I decided to stick with the D3 and hopefully the engine failure was just a "one off"....................it will take some time to fully trust it again though
Oh I dunno Gordon, I reckon I'd gain an extra couple of inches in my lunchbox if I had your Sport ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gghaggis
What everyone forgets is that not all components are made by said carmakers. Although they may design what is required, quite often it's the manufacturing process and materials used by the actual maker that are the issue.
For example, we had major issues with Wabco air dryers on a lot of late model Freightliners with the turbo cutoff valve burning out. Considering air from the compressor enters the dryer at some 300C, why would you make it from GF nylon?? Still didn't stop Wabco from doing so and subsequently we get a lot of uber unhappy customers blaming Freightliner while Wabco stood by and blamed every other avenue they could, yet they made it for a specific purpose and it failed dismally.
Currently, I have 3 600hp Actros prime movers all with failed valves and cracked pistons and all inside 300,000km, again all products made outside of Mercedes Benz yet I have to cop approx $7000 airfreight each plus another $40,000 per short engine under warranty while Mahle "look into it" and come back to say the engine was overworked. None of te extracted run data shows anything close to being overworked.
Car makers have limited control over the actual manufacturing procedures where they initiate the design and no control where something such as a turbo package is supplied by a known professional manufacturer.
It does however come down to how te dealer handles it and also how you react to the dealer in your initial contact. It's not their fault, they have the arduous task of having to fix it for you and want nothing more than to get it fixed as best as they can but remember that we the dealers must wear the cost initially of the failure and then have to wait on the maker approving the warranty. If we come back and say no, it's not our decision, it's handed down the line from LR, Toyota, Nissan, Benz or whoever.
Andrew
Using Capitals, the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse or helping your uncle jack off a horse...
Just to come back on track here; Re;- wrong oil type being used at the 48,000 service, I would expect the incorrect oil to cause worn rings & bearings and to be a gradual failure.
I am in Townsville and the local LR dealer has has been fairly thorough with trying to sort the issue. My D4 has been in the shop since 20/12 and LR have requested a heap of test be conducted. Acoording to my LR dealer mine is the first of the "new" turbos to fail (tends to happen to me - never had that happen before).
I believe the Turbo system may have been inherited from BMW during their brief ownership of LR (please correct me if I am wrong) I believe (hope) this problem may be a one-of as it appears to be a major failure - not that LR have advised me yet of the actual fault, just that there was a heap of oil in the 2nd turbo when being tested.
Some of the test include oil feed to and from the turbo, crankcase pressures.
As for reliability, other than this turbo problem I have not had a drama. The car went to Cape York (OTL etc) when 2 weeks old. This is my 3rd Disco and had some Jap 4WDs and as far as off road capable the D4 takes the cake, and on road driving, maybe not as good as my Fairlane was but definetly better than the current Fairmont.
We need forums like this so as that we can all get a feel for problems and pending problems (like my 2nd lot of turbos) and we can make sure that when we go to the LR dealer with issues we know where we stand if they try and fob us off. I know my LR dealer (mechancis anyway) monitors some LR sites, so any constructive comments can only assist us all in the long run.
Well said Mick.
cheers,
Terry
MIckM - think I saw yours in the workshop just after Chrissy when I had mine in for Engine Systems Fault. Found Neil very good to deal with.What year and month manufacture is yours - just trying to get a feel for when the 'new' turbos were supposed to be fitted.
Cheers
I've seen a LR service bulletin re dealers using the wrong spec oil in the 3.0 engine that caused crankshaft bearing failure over quite a short time, although no mention of it causing turbo bearing or seal failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickM
Oh, Oh, OK....I've been away from the forum for a while.....is LR going down the gurgler? Last I read Mr Tata was laughing his arse off at the stupidity of BMW and Ford......:wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy63
Seriously folks this thread has me totally bemused....I've got a Merc and a D4....different cars, completely different use. I camp and I don't mind a bit of luxury either.....WTF was the tangent of this thread all about...?
And....are D4's suddenly becoming uber-unreliable? Freakin hell, last time I checked they were going OK......LOL!!!!:)
50K on mine and the turbo being the only serious issue.....and there were no obvious performance issues and I don't think I've read about anybody actually blowing their 3.0L up and not being able to keep driving?!
I'll be peaved if LR purchased another "batch" of pooh turbos though....but would I buy another car?.....HELL NO!!!!
Mind you, I just read the Overlander 4WD Of the Year issue.......might look at an LC200.......LMAO.....no chance!
Kev.
:wasntme:
Have been diagnosed with faulty turbos twice (RRS tdv8). Both times the mechanics, and their computers were wrong. Once was a sticking egr valve, other time was a loose hose somewhere.
To keep with the theme of this topic and jump around randomly!
I also have a 2.7 D4 that blows huge clouds of dark gray smoke under heavy acceleration. I have done about 22k and had the dealer look at it both the 10 and 20 k services. Both times told " no issue, normal for this engine" anybody else with a 2.7 seen this as I reckon it is a lot of smoke for not a problem. Anybody has a different answer than " that's normal".
Car doesn't use oil and the smoke is only when I put the boot in.
Mine is 2 years old now, and if it was white one which you saw in the shop then that was mine - I believe the current new ones already have the upgraded turbos.Quote:
Originally Posted by lrdef110
I am not sure when they will be finished as when I spoke with LR (customercare) this morning, it sounds like they are still waiting for parts. I won't be back until the end of January so I don't mind them taking their time and ensure all is done correctly.