Wow, after reading this thread i can say it is not a good recommendation for D4's. Sounds like there is a lot of unhappy customers out there.
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Wow, after reading this thread i can say it is not a good recommendation for D4's. Sounds like there is a lot of unhappy customers out there.
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Originally Posted by Mick-Kelly
So I think your comment is a bit bold - dont you... A few perhaps...Quote:
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5 pages of people complaining about their D4's = a lot in my books. Considering it is a 'cutting edge' vehicle with 22 years of developmemt behind it. I must say if i purchased a new vehicle for the significant cost of a d4 or similar and it had two sets of turbos fail i would be asking for my money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Well, to be fair, only one person has had 2 sets of turbo fail. But as an owner of a 3.0l D4 I read these sorts threads to keep informed of what's going on.
I thought it interesting when going through the buying process the subject of turbo reliability came up. The dealer (I you live in perth you can guess who) flat out denied there are problems with the turbos - claiming he never even heard of any complaints. You gotta smile.
Personally I've not had issues.
I just went back through the 5 pages, I can count roughly 3 cases of D4 owners that have had some trouble, one of them complaining.
There are then the others that don't own a D4 but are happy to use the supposed unreliablity of a D4 to justify sticking with thier ever trusty "whatever" (D1/2/3 or 110 or Valiant charger)
But by and large it would appear that turbo diesels do blow smoke especially after sedate driving, and with these motors all they need is sedate driving most times. I get a cloud/puff of smoke when I boot my 3.0l D4, but after that first puff it is pretty hard to reproduce for a while.
I'm not complaining, I'm not unhappy, and I would highly recommend the D4.
Its good to hear some positivity :) my D1 used to cough out a smoke trail under heavy foot. Lets get some more positive stories from D4 owners going.
My 2.7 D4 is great :) if anything I miss the dramatic spiral cloud of smoke my previous diesels would dish out under full throttle and boost...
'Complaining' about the cars is probably a bit harsh in most instances - more concerned, curious, maybe?
I've had a turbo change and a few niff naff bits over the years, on my D4.
At first when a couple of minor things went wrong (and I really mean 2 or 3....no more) I panicked and I complained......that's the conditioning of LR nay sayers putting doubt in my mind......LOL!!!!!
I then had a really long run with no issues at all until the faulty turbo was picked up. Mine had a miniscule external leak....LR picked it up, not me. No smoke, no performance concerns.
At the end of the day it has ****ed me off that anything has gone wrong with the car at all, I wish it hadn't....but things go wrong. You have to be realistic. All but the turbo have been very minor, we're talking a couple of broken light fittings from new and too much disiccant in the compressor dryer. Had the car been out of warranty I could have fixed all of these things easily myself, with the exception of the turbo.
It hasn't even made a blip on the radar of my satisfaction with the car. The only thing I'd replace it with is another D4. Mick M is the only D4 owner that I can recall saying that they wanted to change.....not one other than that. And I suggest that he is a bit like we've all been and got a bit jumpy.
The turbo issue doesn't happen overnight and it isn't going to stop you getting anywhere or back.....a catastrophic software issue might thou..
There you go....another doubt seed planted......LOL!!!!
Kev.
Problem is people look at new vehicles like they are old vehicles,modern diesels produce more power than old V8's and they do that by burning fuel under boost.Modern diesels all blow smoke,get over it.It's like mechanics that still say oil changes need to be done at 5k,oils have come along way and so have diesel engines and post Tdi motors getting oil changes at 5k means throwing away good oil.If your motor blows smoke but doesn't burn oil or have issue's drive the bloody thing and stop worrying about nothing. Pat
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Originally Posted by Mick-Kelly
So Mick do you actually own a 2.7 or 3.0 diesel and what issues have you had?
cheers,
Terry