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I'm with kenl here. Considering the ownership population on here, there aren't that many who have had catostrophic failures. My experience with mine after 11,500km's is the same as kenl's. One puff & that's it generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenl
Oil usage is the key to any potential turbo seal failures. Anything else is just regular diesel smoke, which in ours is way less than it used to be in years gone by ...
Regards,
Les.
Mick-Kelly ,your totally illi-informed comment reminds me of the following comment
Theres those thay Own a D3,D4,RRS , and there are those that wish they did !!!
Sorry to be a little pedantic here Les...I haven't heard or read of a single catostrophic failure of a D4? There was one owner who had, a suspected oil induced run-away, right after a servicing...(go figure :D)...seems the beast was probably very full of oil. Other than that, have you read/heard of any?Quote:
Originally Posted by outasight
It's an honest question, it would suck if people were too scared to share their concerns in case it adds to the 'legacy LR reliability' issues, but if there are still serious issues....get them out there I say!
Cheers,
Kev.
Fair comment, perhaps a little too strong turn of phrase!
I really meant in relation to the turbo failures, that there hasn't been many at all confirmed & unquestionable actual turbo failures.
As for catastrophic failures of D4's in general, well the alternator failure that left a car completely stranded in the middle of the road comes closest that I've read on here, and then some of the debilitating limp modes that have been experienced come second, but again, the numbers are extremely low for such a target audience as we have ...
Regards,
Les.
Thanks Les,Quote:
Originally Posted by outasight
I'm certain LR aren't changing turbo's for the hell of it but I don't think any have come close to stopping the truck running.
As to the Alt failure and limp mode, I know that sort of thing can happen....more so the limp mode. It's been widely covered that Limp Mode isn't a failure, it's the car doing exactly what it was designed to do, to protect from further potential damage. Of course, if you're the owner trying to get somewhere....its a BLOODY FAILURE....LOL...especially if if was a false concern........as in there was no real reason for the car to select that mode.
There is nothing to say that there won't be a seriously big issue with a D4 (like any car), faulty trademan, defective steel/alloy, electronic part, etc.....but patterns of failure are a real concern. Beyond the turbo, I'm not seeing it.
Mine has done quirky, bloody annoying things at times but it hasn't stopped me believing in the car.
If I happened to own a lemon D4....well that would be another story.....:mad:
Cheers Kev.
For other owners of 3.0L D4 (the 2.7L engines have not had this fault) the first signs of the Turbos having the fault for which LR are changing the Turbos is blowing of BLUE smoke when under hard acceleration. Generally this can not be repeated for a while (for me 2 days of driving 200-300Ks) of sedate driving - accelerate hard again and you can duplicate the problem.
It took me 4 months originally to convince LR of the issue.
This 2nd fault symptoms were huge amount of BLUE smoke whenever under hard acceleration.
I understand that LR are waiting for a new secondary turbo to come from the UK to fix my latest problem. I would tend to think that seal has probably failed therefore the problem all the time whereas the original problem (as explained to me) was oil leaking between turbos (not sure how this can occur).
All diesels will puff black smoke under hard acceleration due to overfuelling required for the acceleration.
I hope this helps understand the difference in the 2 problems which I have had with the turbos.
MickM
I've just found this thread after my RRS 3.0 started blowing HUGE clouds of blue/grey smoke under hard acceleration around 2000 revs. Don't like the look of this.
I've booked in to the dealer (Barbagallo) on March 1st for another issue (brake problem) but by the looks of this thread I'd better call them tomorrow and warn them about the smoke issue too. If its a turbo that needs replacing, is there a long wait for replacement parts?
I have to tow a trailer boat to Exmouth (1200kms) in three weeks and I don't want to risk doing more damage if they can't do the replacement in time...
Brisbane had the parts handy but it takes a couple of days. The job doesn't but that's how long it takes LR when they are busy. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by GregMilner
I had a D4 loaner though, so I wasn't put out at all.
Ok thanks for that. Perth might be different, they always seem to have to get parts in from Sydney. Even one of the headlamps when a globe failed:(
Geez.....that's pretty slack. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by GregMilner
Good luck in this case.
Cheers,
Kev.