Thread: Disco 4 / Landcruiser 200 Tow Test

Tata's owner is actually a great fan of LR and Jags which is why he bought them. He has a a passion to see them suceed. LR are highly profitable now which is a good thing especially in this economic climate.
Remember the Nano is probably the cheapest car in the world so it is bound to be crap.

Originally Posted by Mike&Loz

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Then the price difference. According to redbook.com.au, the HSE is $95,600 while the LC Sahara is $116,400. I'm pretty certain you can get a lot for $20K. Offroad rubber on smaller rims, long range tank, ECU remap, mitch hitch, bull bar etc, etc.

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I just had a quote from Opposite Lock for a winch bar, rear bar and wheel carrier, long range tank, dual battery system and snorkel fitted, just over $6,000. (Mind you the winch is extra, but same on the LC)

So by your RedBook figures $101K for the D4 and $116K for the LC. Pretty easy choice to my mind.

Originally Posted by mowog

The core excuse of poor dealer coverage was one of the excuses. But what none of them say is you can do 24000klm between services in a 3.0l RRS or D4 if the LC isn't burning oil you can only do 10000klm or 5000klm if it is burning oil. Based on the service needs Toyota needs dealers all over the country if they didn't people couldn't tour around the country because of the low distances between services.

Because LR says the service interval for the 3.0 is 24000 k's doesn't mean that is a good thing for the engine or a proven advantage over the Cruiser. In this case at least Toyota are putting a realistic service interval on changing the oil in their engines.

Personally there is no way I would go 24,000 ks between changing oil no matter what LR or any other manufacturer says to try and get people to buy their product.

Its the quality of the oil that protects the engines internals not much else and there is nothing to special about the recommended oil. Is there?

As for WDH's in another topic here on the D3/4 section I recently put up a cut and pasted email that I received from the Haymen Reese head Techo where he said the D3/4 did not need a WDH because the vehicles design put enough weight on the front wheels even when towing not to need a WDH.

I would have thought if Haymen Reese themselves, the makers of WDH's, say that ones not needed for a D3/4/RRS then that should basically end this ongoing debate with owners of other brands that actually do need one.

cheers,
Terry

I do get mine serviced at 12000klm anyway because most of its life is spent towing.

Now if an LC200 owners applies the same heavy use servicing methodology then they are looking at 5000klm between services...

Have you driven a new V8 diesel LC200 Mowog?

I have and they are a very nice bit of kit and they do go extremely well. Personally I would prefer a Disco, but that is my choice based on my requirements, just like it is for others who choose a Land Cruiser.

Thinking about it I'd be happy to own either if the deal was right. Not really sure why you would think a LC would need a oil change at 5k?

cheers,
Terry

My folks own a 200 series Sahara which I have driven quite a bit. I was talking to SWMBO yesterday whilst out and about in our D2 and asked her if she had the choice between the 200/D2 which would she choose. She said "If they were the same price, I would have the Disco (Stu) anyday!" The only and I repeat only benefit of a 200 (or D4 for that matter) for us would be in towing. For me, my D2 does everything else I need. So I guess I'll stick with my 10k car! That leaves 100k for accessories. I wonder if I can get a flux capacitor.....

The service intervals of 10000klm are based on normal domestic travel. Most cars have reduced intervals for hard conditions. EG... dusty dirt roads. towing....

Generally these condition half the servicing interval. Even if the owners manual dose not call for it any sensible owner would/should service there car more often under harsh conditions. So the already low 10000klm for the Toyota is further reduced.

I have never driven the LC200 It wasn't even in the list of tugs being considered. At the time I brought the D4 there were wide spread reports of numerous problems with the LC200. But that's not the reason why I didn't buy one. I have owned Toyota's in the past. The single thing that keeps me away from them and Ford & Holden is the service departments. I have never had to argue with the Land Rover dealer to get things done or to deal with damage done to my car. Ford/Toyota/Holden dealers have all managed to screw me around damage my cars and duck and deny they did it. All have also argued at one time or another over warranty claims. I have never had that with Land Rover. Sure I have had issues but the key is the Land Rover dealer has always resolved the issues fully without argument.

It wouldn't matter if I owned a Cruiser or any Land Rover product, including a 3.0 D4. If I was going seriously off road or towing a van I would change the oil at the same intervals on both brands, being no more then 10,000 ks. If it was a very hard trip then I would change it sooner.

As far as I know there is no brand of vehicle that has some magic formula for less engine ware and tear between oil changes.

At least Toyota don't make daft claims that oil changes should be at 24,000 kilometres, a bit like the auto being sealed for life on the D3/4. Look where that got plenty of people who believed that BS.

cheers,
Terry