D4 2.7 or 3.0. Is it worth it?

I went from a RRS with the awesome TDV8 to a 2.7 D4 and not really been to disappointed with the 2.7. It's still a smooth and relatively powerfull unit. I have a set of 17s with KM2s as spares and saved 10 grand which I am now using to get a bar and other stuff for the car.
I have never found myself wishing for more power. Maybe if I towed more often I might!
As far as dealers go the one that I use has been pretty good to deal with but hopeless on trade in prices. Sold my previous D3 and RRS privately.

There is no doubt that the 3.0 has more zoom zoom but the question is it $15K more worth of zoom zoom. Noting that for everyday use a 2.7 with a chip is close to similar on road performance - for sure a 3.0 will still perform better at the extremes but for everyday use there is not much in it and certainly not $15k worth.

Garry

I don't know about the D4 2.7 but on the D3 with a remap and using 'Sand mode' it's Bl__d1 quick! :eek:

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Originally Posted by garrycol

There is no doubt that the 3.0 has more zoom zoom but the question is it $15K more worth of zoom zoom. Noting that for everyday use a 2.7 with a chip is close to similar on road performance - for sure a 3.0 will still perform better at the extremes but for everyday use there is not much in it and certainly not $15k worth.

Garry

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That's exactly my question, is it $15k's worth. My D3 with the DP chip goes pretty good and to save 1L per 100 will take a lot of driving to earn back and with better tyre options.

The problem now is that I have to go to all of the effort to privately sell and then still have to face the "Stealer" when I have the cash. I really don't have the time or the will. DAM YOU LAND ROVER!:mad:

If LR want to retain dedicated customers they should really do some work on their trade-in pricing. I would have signed up on the day if it was more reasonable.

Some things to consider:

• A 2.7 ltr chipped is not close to a 3.0 ltr in terms of outright performance
• The 3.0 ltr gets you the bigger brake package. Although that limits tyre selection, the braking performance and the off-road traction control is superior.
• HDC works better
• The 3.0 ltr gets the uprated (stronger) ZF 6HP28 gearbox (cf the ZF 6HP26 for the 2.7)

So it's not _just_ an engine upgrade!

Cheers,

Gordon

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Originally Posted by gghaggis

Some things to consider:

• A 2.7 ltr chipped is not close to a 3.0 ltr in terms of outright performance
• The 3.0 ltr gets you the bigger brake package. Although that limits tyre selection, the braking performance and the off-road traction control is superior.
• HDC works better
• The 3.0 ltr gets the uprated (stronger) ZF 6HP28 gearbox (cf the ZF 6HP26 for the 2.7)

So it's not _just_ an engine upgrade!

Cheers,

Gordon

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But that is not much for $15K - unless a lead foot, performance is not all that better, 2.7 brakes are more than adequate etc etc etc.

No doubting it is better but the question not yet answered is is $15K better.

My take is that it is $5 - $6K better not $15K and with the 2.7 you don't have the second turbo failure issue that is now starting to show up - hope the issue is all fixed under warranty but if proves to be an ongoing issue there will get expensive later on.

Garry

The question seemed to be asked citing the engine difference alone - I'm just pointing out that there is more than that, so obviously better value than if just considering 300cc and an extra turbo.

And yes, performance is a LOT better - I had both my chipped 2.7 and the 3.0 ltr for a couple of weeks - no comparison. Perhaps a more aggressive remap would get closer, but do you really want to go that far?

Cheers,

Gordon

Not sure where the $10K came from. When I bought my 3.0Lt, it was $10k dearer than the same spec 2.7Lt.

Yes, I do think my $10K was worth it. No, I'm not a rev head, but do tow quite a bit, and appreciate the effortless power & torque compared to my previous re-mapped D3 2.7Lt. The larger brakes are noticeable and the stronger transmission is good assurance.

Yes, it is an extra $10K (or as you stated Gary, $15K) but you will get the money back when you sell it, as the 3.0Lt will fetch that much more on re-sale.

I do agree that if you are using your vehicle as a shopping cart or doing low Klm's and little towing, the 2.7Lt is certainly adequate.

Cheers, Craig

It is not only the difference of 300mL or an extra turbo. It is in the sequential nature of the two turbos, the small one spins up FAST giving almost instantaneous boost and before it is running out of puff the larger tubo is coming on. The single turbo is a compromise at both ends of the rev range.

Merely in the test drive between the 2.7 TDV6 and the 3.0 SDV6 you could notice the difference.

In the 2.7 in traffic you have to plan to make a lane change hoping the space will still be there when the boost comes in. With the 3.0 you can just change lanes when you see the space, knowing the boost will arrive almost as soon as you hit the go pedal.

Same thing with hill starts.


Yes I am glad I paid the $10K extra for the SDV6

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

It is not only the difference of 300mL or an extra turbo.

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I believe that was the point I was trying to make! It's a package, not "just" 300cc + a turbo.

Cheers,

Gordon