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Thread: Diesel Particulate Filter for Disc 4 HSE SDV6

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamihc View Post
    Your logic is flawed. Please go ahead and eat some poison pill. I'm sure you wouldnt be worried because you're already exposed to so much more poisons out there.

    The idea here is to reduce the levels of poisonous stuff, so really I don't see your reasoning.

    Furthermore, see Diesel cancer link.

    Not everyone is a troll. I love my LR. I'm just ****ed off that LR Aus did not have a dpf. Why so sensitive? I thought this is an avenue for discussion.
    No-one here understands your concerns. It has been known forever that all vehicle exhaust is harmful, a DPF will not make flowers sprout from your exhaust and it will not make it safe to be in a closed space with the vehicle running.

    It is not LR's job to cater to individual phobias. If you are worried about cancer from vehicle exhaust, then for your own sake get the hell out of Sydney.

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    Obviously it's not going to sprout flowers.

    The point is it is a filter and thus reduces something!

    If this is available, why wouldnt you want it?

    Yes there are many things that can kill us faster in sydney, but that's not the focus. Again, your logic is also flawed. Putting it to extreme, we have a high chance of getting hit and killed by a car because we live in a dense urban area, so screw any health implications from diesel fumes. Yes that sounds about right.

    Good luck living this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamihc View Post
    The point is it is a filter and thus reduces something!
    Do you have any idea what a DPF is and how it works?

    Quote Originally Posted by areamihc View Post
    If this is available, why wouldnt you want it?
    Because they are expensive to buy, make your vehicle burn more fuel, are not that reliable and are very expensive to replace.

    Even without a DPF the SDV6 is cleaner than about 90% of the vehicles on the road. If this isn't enough for you. Then give up driveing and ride a bike.

    In Sydney you have a higher chance of lung cancer through second hand cigarette smoke than diesel fumes.

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    I didn't want a DPF on my vehicle for various reasons but foremost is the fire risk if regeneration occurs whilst driving over dry grass. However if the sensor wiring is already fitted (quite possibly not all fitted but might only require a loom section), it should only require the DPF version of that section of the exhaust as already fitted to some early AU 3.0 D4s, the appropriate sensors and the CCF changed to indicate that a DPF is fitted. An easy test would be to change the CCF to specifiy a DPF then see what DPF sensor faults occur.
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    Water Filter

    Makes more sense to invest in a good quality after market water filter to protect the fuel system than a DPF.

    Cheers

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    Link to after-market DPF manufacturer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by areamihc View Post
    Your logic is flawed. Please go ahead and eat some poison pill. I'm sure you wouldnt be worried because you're already exposed to so much more poisons out there.

    The idea here is to reduce the levels of poisonous stuff, so really I don't see your reasoning.

    Furthermore, see Diesel cancer link.

    Not everyone is a troll. I love my LR. I'm just ****ed off that LR Aus did not have a dpf. Why so sensitive? I thought this is an avenue for discussion.
    Not flawed at all...

    Unleaded is more carcinogenic than Leaded but we all switched to that.
    Cats in UL vehicles need replacement in under 100,000km usually but it never happens.
    Charcoal canisters in petrol vehicles are never replaced as per emissions requirements.
    Microwave ovens emit radiation
    You get more Xrays through you on a long haul plane ride than 20 xrays at a doctors
    Plastic emits carcinogens
    Pepper is poisonous

    You're worrying about something that has links to cancer.. Fair enough..

    But EVERYTHING does... Including fruit, vegetables etc...

    There is only one cure for cancer....

    As for a DPF - I dont understand your phobia / concern about not having one...

    Petrol isnt better at all.....
    Unleaded petrol: a solution or a problem? | Green Left Weekly

    EXPERT WARNS OF UNLEADED PETROL CANCER DANGER UNLEADED petrol - particularly the controversial new 98 octane fuel - may contain dangerous levels of cancer causing chemicals, a leading expert on air pollution claimed.
    The chemicals are derivatives of benzene, which is added to unleaded fuel to make it more powerful and has also been linked to cancer.
    The 98 octane fuel, which was recently introduced in Hong Kong amid substantial controversy, contained greater amounts of the chemicals than the 95 octane it replaced, according to toxicologist, Liang Tan.
    Ms Tan said combustion of unleaded petrol emitted polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), a confirmed carcinogenic.
    "In order to stop the petrol mixture from exploding during the compression stroke, you must have a high octane level ... aromatic hydrocarbons put in unleaded fuel (to raise the octane level) give rise to carcinogens," she said.
    The 98 octane fuel was introduced last month by oil companies who said they were responding to customer demand. It costs 21 cents a litre more than 95 octane.
    "If you have high octane unleaded petrol you must have more of the cyclic compounds and that means you get more of these PAHs released into the air," Ms Tan said.
    But Mr Peter Wong of the Environmental Protection Department said he was not "overly concerned" about the PAHs because their levels were not likely to be high here.
    PAHs are difficult to measure but measurements of air-borne benzene, to which they are linked, showed it was one-tenth the American recommended level.
    Mr Wong also said oil companies had promised to keep benzene levels in fuel to the British standard of a maximum of 5%.
    This pledge was made earlier this year before the introduction of unleaded petrol on April 1, and at the time applied only to 95 octane.
    The Consumer Council earlier this year had advocated imposing controls on the benzene content.
    Ms Tan said much more research remains to be done on the effects of unleaded petrol.
    She suggested that fitting catalytic converters to vehicles using unleaded petrol could reduce the problem by destroying most of the pollutants emitted.
    Benzine is also known to be a contributor to childhood Leukemia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by areamihc View Post
    I was disappointed to find out my 2012 built SDV did not come with a DPF.

    I'm concerned about the health implications and would like to know if its possible to order a DPF from the dealers to have it supplied and installed?

    Can anyone shed some light on this?
    There are companies which sell retro-fit DPFs to the mining industry. It would likely be easier and cheaper to fit one of these, rather than the OEM setup from LR. They are also designed to be fitted to non-DPF vehicles, so would be less likely to clog.

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    There was a DPF installed on my last car (nissan pathfinder). The fuel use was high, service costs were higher, and performance suffered, but I did respect it's filtering capabilities.
    Now I run the D4 in the garage for only 1/2 a minute and the fumes can be overpowering. But there were many instances were I might be behind the Nissan for extended periods and they never bothered me (eg hitching the van/loading goods etc). I also never saw the puffs of exhaust I see now when a bit heavy footed on acceleration.
    Although I'm happy not to have one now, and think they are fairly pointless in Australia, I believe they can serve a purpose....

    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    I didn't want a DPF on my vehicle for various reasons but foremost is the fire risk if regeneration occurs whilst driving over dry grass.
    They don't regenerate until traveling at 80km/h for a period of time - not likely over dry grass

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