Thread: ATF

Originally Posted by Geedublya

Fuchs Titan 4400 is a full synthetic ATF that has been used successfully on the 6HP26. I will be using it on my next flush.

I have being using it for the last 20 000km with Dr Tranny instant shudder fix, box as smooth as new. Did the Shell 1375.4 , dbl flush , did nothing to eliminate shudder , told by ZF I require a new torque converter and agents.Got rid of the Shell oil and added Fuchs and al is well.

O yes , I only tow with mine.

Discovered the guys in Germany uses the Fuchs oil , and the Ford F150 guys have great success with Fuchs and Dr Tranny all on the same box.

The Shell oil story , sorry but its a farce by Land Rover and Jaguar , they obviously get a kick back from Shell.
Dammit it's a normal gearbox used by a lot of makes of cars all around the world, the ZF 6HP26 is not as special as we are made to believe by other forumites , it's a run of the mill box supplied to various cars not just Land Rover and Jaguar

An authorised L/Rover gearbox specialist here in South Africa ONLY uses Fuchs, they do all L/Rover box and diffs repairs for agents.

The BMW guys in Germany uses Fuchs 4134 and the 4400 , look at their forums in the same box, even Lique Moli have a better ATF than the elusive, hard to find , (kickbacks off course)Shell 1375.4.

Until Fuchs add that it meets/exceeds either the appropriate ZF or Land Rover ATF specifications, or my D4 is out of warranty... I'll stick with the ZF fluid. There are just too many "get out of jail free" cards available to ATF makers, ZF and LR.

From Fuchs Australia web-site, but no guarantees though:


JAGUAR
XJ, 3.0 Litre Twin Turbo Diesel Eng., Automatic (2010-2012)


Crankcase TITAN GT1 PRO C1 5W-30
Part No : 4197

Service Refill Capacity: 6.6* Litres


Automatic Transmission TITAN ATF 4134
Part No : 4072

Service Refill Capacity: 10.1 Litres (see notes 1576, 12)


Differential Refer to Dealer

Service Refill Capacity: 0.9 Litres


Power Steering TITAN ATF D3
Part No : 2121

Service Refill Capacity: 1.6 Litres


NOTES
*
Includes Oil Filter
12
Dry fill capacity shown, fill only to full mark.
1576
The genuine fluid is colourless, Fuchs product is coloured red.

Originally Posted by jonesy63

Rick yes, that lists Lifeguard Fluid 5 and 6, among others. It seems TE-ML 11 is a list of lubricants rather a specification.

I have specifically asked ZF what the TE-ML spec oils mean, well here is the answer.


TE-ML is the name of the ZF lists of lubricants. It is coming from a further name of the ZF department which has published these lists. The no. are for the different transmission types and ZF divisions.

TE-ML 04 for example is for ZF marine transmissions / Zf division industrial technology.

TE-ML 11 is for passenger car manual, double clutch and automatic transmissions / ZF division powertrain technology

and so on.



Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Kind Regards

Martin Vogel
Technik ZF-Konzern/Operations and Technology ZF Group
Schmierstoffe und Kunststoffe/Lubricants and Plastics (OTGM2)

ZF Friedrichshafen AG
88038 Friedrichshafen, Deutschland/Germany
Telefon/Phone +49 7541 77-7181, Fax +49 7541 77-907181
martin.vogel@zf.com


My point is, we are making the gearbox of a Land Rover can only take the SHELL 1375.4 oil, it is not !!! plenty other oil are available and EVEN better like FUCHS 4134

Plenty other makes of ATF have the TE-ML 11 spec .

Originally Posted by Geedublya

Fuchs Titan 4400 is a full synthetic ATF that has been used successfully on the 6HP26. I will be using it on my next flush.

what is the price difference between this and the ZF product.


Cheers Ean