Thread: GOE emergency air up kit.

Gordon,

Sorry ,Maybe i should have said dont bother with these types of systems at all.

likelihood of need almost zero

problems caused when fitting, likely. i.e. "cutting the rear airline on the passenger side is the worst one. Getting that one to seal using the quick connectors was the issue"

ok fair enough fit- dont fit still need to buy, you did not actually say buy my stuff but .

In my view the manner you invloved yourself is a self interest conflict, (typically not acknowledged or seen as such by the authors otherwise it would not have happened). You are self promoting your product just by making the comment.

And I am entitled to my opinion.

Originally Posted by alpick

Maybe i should have said dont bother with these types of systems at all.

likelihood of need almost zero

problems caused when fitting, likely.

ok fair enough fit- dont fit still need to buy, you did not actually say buy my stuff but .

In my view the manner you invloved yourself is a self interest conflict, (typically not acknowledged or seen as such by the authors otherwise it would not have happened). You are self promoting your product just by making the comment.

And I am entitled to my opinion.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, as long as said opinion is not slandering others. The merits of fitting or not fitting can be politely debated without you making erroneous judgements on my motivation.

The particular issue of fitting versus carrying is not a self-interest conflict, as I have more experience with this particular kit than you do, and whether people fit it or just carry it makes no personal difference to me. I involved myself because I don't think your comment on that particular issue, whilst partially true, is the whole truth, and so can be misleading.

Your comment on my motivation however, is a smug, self-important statement that has been made without any evidence or experience on your part.

In my view Gordon and the handfull of other enthusiast vendors on here have always behaved in ethical and helpful ways even to each other despite competing.

Gordon's comments are exactly right, if you choose to have one of these kits you probably don't want to be sitting in the middle of the Simpson up to your in sand trying to fit it.

You may well be right that it introduces and element of extra risk where you cut and join, It may also be true that most people won't need it. That's for each user to decide. Gordon wasn't trying to shove it down anyone's throat, questions were asked and answered

Originally Posted by alpick

how often is this kit needed? mostly issues are elec/compressor probs and either a cooling period, hard reset or obd tool fixes the vast majority.

Having experienced a couple of failed compressors, I want the ability to use an alternate compressor. I have used my tyre compressor to pump air into a failed suspension compressor to get the vehicle up to height but only after having clamped the compressor's sump breather in place. Now having an AMK compressor with which I am not familiar, I've toyed with the idea of fitting a single valve to the compressor outlet line. However even though a failed compressor is the most common show-stopping fault, other failures can occur that can be overcome with an emergency valve for each corner. Even still more parts can fail that are not overcome with 4 emergency valves although a couple of spare air-springs and some tube and joiners would complete the package.

How far does one go in covering possible failures? I rate compressor failures as 99% of total air suspension system failures but if its not particularly difficult to provide 100% cover then for some adventures 100% is warranted. Once a 4-valve emergency kit is fitted all the suspenison electronics can be circumvented, including failures such as broken wires to valve blocks. If cutting into the 4 air-spring lines is not desireable then perhaps a single valve in a line that is not constantly under pressure is a reasonable option.

Gentlemen,

This thread needs to get back on topic please.

Originally Posted by alpick

My research and experience (and the experience of my local indy LR specialist is):

there are more leak issues created in fitting these types of systems than the incidents of a failure requiring their use.

P.S.

flack jacket on!

Your comments based on your own personal experience in some sort of a kit for a D2 maybe relevant to your D2 but not relevant to Gordon's D3/D4 kit.

Have you used the GOE kit on a vehicle it is designed for?? If yes and you had issues then I would certainly be interested in your point of view and I am sure Gordon would as well.

But here you are bagging a product you have not used based on some issues on a different product on a different type of car.

Sorry, I do not see that your point of view is relevant to this discussion at all.

Garry

Getting back on topic, I have the GOE kit and I also have the largest Brown Davis long range fuel tank on my D4 3l. I fitted the left rear part of the kit OK by cutting the existing air pipe on a longer straight section a little bit away from where Gordon recommended because it was impossible to get to the recommended spot. I also moved the connecting plug out of the way a little bit to get better access from underneath and up past the side of the tank. It was difficult but I made sure I could reach everything before cutting the pipe.

In the end Gordon helped me because I had a slow leak on this junction. He was better than me at using soapy water to find the leak but I would have eventually fixed it myself if I hadn't given Gordon a ring and asked him for some help in finding the leaking connector after a long day of installation.

The other issue I had was at Richmond in QLD on the way to Cape York, where the front right connector started leaking and dropped the car to the bump stops at the front over night. It took me half an hour to fix before continuing on for the day. I had my cable ties a bit tight to stop chafing on corrugations and caused the leak but I have since done Cape York and the Telegraph Track and back to Perth via the Kimberleys plus 40,000km of driving including plenty of off road and rough roads with no further issues.

I wouldn't do any remote travel without either Llams or GOE rods and the emergency inflation kit. As Gordon says, the emergency kit is not a trivial fit and would be virtually impossible on the side of the road, let alone in the bush where the height is actually needed.

As mentioned above, it does introduce a week point that can leak but if it is needed due to any kind of compressor or electronic failure, it is priceless. The potential benefits outweigh the risks in my opinion and if Gordon can get it to work without cutting the existing pipes it will be perfect.

Bob

Gordon

I will await your new product with interest especially given that I may be able to fit it myself.

Having seen "Ashes" air line leak/break out in the bush albeit not to far from civilisation it makes me nervous not to have something to fix the situation especially since I want to run larger tyres.