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    New D4 2013 Purchase`

    Hi everyone.

    First post here.

    After 13 years of Pajero driving I've decided to buy a new/demo LR D4 SE or HSE.

    Probably take the plunge within a month or two.

    I've been browsing sites like Carsales.com.au to get a feel for prices and see some dealers that are a lot lower than the usual dealer drive away price. Usually the non Sydney dealers are the cheaper ones and WA dealers especially cheaper. I don't mind travelling to save what can be $5,000 to $10,000 and /or getting it shipped here.

    My question is, has anyone got any advice about these cheaper dealers - they look genuine but I don't understand why they are so much cheaper other than they are willing to sell cheaper.

    Martin

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    Dont forget buying interstate you will need to have to pay stamp duty when you transfer rego which will easily eat into savings!

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    Do you also need to pay luxury car tax locally

    Rich

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    Hi Martine, I am not sure about dealers but the price on these cars are definetly cheaper in NSW than QLD. I picked my 2009 D3 from a private owner in Sydney. The price was about $5000 - $10,000 less than in QLD. I flew there and drove it back. Stamp duty and rego is less compared to the price we get these from NSW. Good luck with the buy.
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    I bought a demo D4 with 1,000km on the clock from the largest dealership in WA. It is a base model, but was optioned up with pretty much everything in it that the SE has, except it's a 2.7 TDV6.

    Price included stamp duty, rego, dealer delivery etc. I was very happy with the deal that I got..

    Luxury car tax applies to the purchase price of the vehicle at the time of sale, regardless of where you buy it. Trick is to buy the vehicle "bare" with no options, as the luxury tax applies to the full purchase price of the vehicle, including any options. Purchase any options that you want after you have paid for the vehicle.
    Cheers .........

    BMKAL


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    Thanks for the replies.

    I believe the luxury car tax is federal so that should be covered but the stamp duty angle is a concern if I buy interstate - good point Boofla.

    If I buy new I'll look at options that can be fitted after sale, LCT is 33% so that's a big chunk to avoid - thanks BMKal. I was thinking about getting the Rear Diff Lock which would have to be pre sale. From what I've read here it is a good option to have - what do you guys think?

    Bottom line on price I suppose is to have the prices I've seen printed out and do battle with the dealers. I assume that the higher prices are what they would like to get.

    Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by letherm View Post
    Bottom line on price I suppose is to have the prices I've seen printed out and do battle with the dealers. I assume that the higher prices are what they would like to get.
    Not saying this applies to LandRover dealerships but is an experience I had with Carsales.com and a Hyundai when I was buying one for my son.

    Hyundai were having a sale. I looked in Carsales and found 3-4 models in WA which were listed as 'new' and at a 'drive away' price 1k less than the drive away sale price listed in the newspaper sale. As with many dealer derived Carsales.com ads if your interested then you must supply your email details and a dealer will contact you.

    Bugger that I thought, I prefer to just drive to the dealer and sort things out face to face. The specific dealers were not listed in the Carsales ads but the dealers licence numbers were and a bit of research showed all the licence numbers belonged to a single specific dealer network.

    So I print off the Carsales ads and go the the nearest Hyundai dealer belonging to that dealer network. Pull out the Carsales ad and say I'll have one of those thanks. Mr dealer says no way - not at that price. I said but these ads are from your dealer network. Maybe so he says but you will have to pay delivery charges, rego costs etc. on top of those prices which brings you to the newspaper listed sale price.

    Carslaes.com are pretty clear about the definition of 'drive away price', it means just that. The dealer is not interested in the Carsales.com ads insisting the 'drive away price' does not mean 'drive away' so I leave unimpressed.

    I go to another Hyundai dealer not connected with that particular dealer network who claims to beat any legitimate offer and pull out the Carsales ads and say here are some advertised prices can you beat it. He looks at the Carsales.com ads and says - hmmmm these specific cars don't actually exist you'll find they don't have any stock codes for them, they probably should not be advertised at all.

    I'm starting to get the picture now. It's the old bait and switch scam.

    Nevertheless, the salesman says, we pride ourselves on our claim to beat anything so he writes up the deal for the Carsales.com price and goes off to get approval from the boss. He comes back and says we will do the deal if you agree to forward date the agreement by a few days, don't ask why. So I ask why and he says the finance guys won't say much but it's the only way they will approve it at that price.

    Anyway I don't care, so I sign the paperwork with a forward date and leave thinking, finally I have beaten the system and got a car at my price. A few days later I'm back to pick up the car and lo and hold Hyundai are now sweetening their once in a lifetime sale and throwing in $1k Myer gift voucher, to which I'm not entitled to now because unknowingly I effectively exchanged the gift voucher value for cash.

    So all up did I beat the system - no, I paid the car dealers sale price and he never actually beat anybodies else's price as per his dealership's claims and I suppose I could think myself lucky that at least I didn't buy at the 'sale price' just days before the 'sale price' got even better.

    Good luck with your dealer battle and the search for that great deal, they are a hard bunch to beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by letherm View Post
    the stamp duty angle is a concern if I buy interstate....
    If buying new interstate then don't get it registered until in your home state. Get an unregistered vehicle permit to drive it home.

    The e-diff is effectively only a build time option. It certainly cannot be added through LR as a later option.
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    Thanks Graeme. I'll keep that in mind if I buy interstate.

    Ferret, they certainly were sneaky to say the least. I was wondering if some of these deals are "bait and switch". Won't know until I try I suppose.

    Thanks again everyone for the suggestions and comments - it all helps and I'll be better prepared when I buy the car. Can't wait .

    Martin

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    Don't be afraid to go into a local dealer with the higher price. You may find that one advertising for a lower price won't move much at all in negotiations, but ones advertising higher will move quickly below the "cheap ones". It's all about making you feel like you got a good deal.

    My D4 was listed on the dealer's web site for a price which was about $10k more than a comparable stock vehicle I saw with a dealer in VIC. I took a punt with the local guy and it didn't take any arm twisting to get a starting price lower than the advertised VIC price, then I got a far better deal than I was expecting on the trade, and once he was half way through the paper work I said I was eligible for a corporate partner discount (reduced dealer delivery, free servicing, floor mats etc) In short I ended up getting the car for $10k less change over than my "best case" scenario with the cheapest listed dealer.

    BTW, my favourite line when negotiating. When they do the old "well I'm not sure if I can do that price, I'll have to check with my manager" Just say, "oh, ok, well if he's the one who makes the decisions bring him out and I'll negotiate with him instead..."

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