D4 at off-road height on sand

Two clicks to the right on the Llams switch :D

I understand why they do it, but this feature does significantly limit the otherwise outstanding capability of this vehicle. For me Llams is the most useful mod you can do to these vehicles, especially of you do any sand driving either coastal or desert. Also good for good quality tracks with a hump in the middle, someof these tracks are easily good for 60-80 kph or sometimes even more but they just need the extra clearance.

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Originally Posted by Canaussie

I found on a recent trip to 5 rocks, the vehicle was smarter than me. Tried numerous attempts in sand mode manual both high and low range modes with dsc off and had tyres at 12psi, very hot and soft sand. Put on low range auto and dsc off and got up first go....hmmm I do hate that at any sign of wheel spin that vehicle cuts power

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I do a lot of sand driving and climbing dunes.

The trick is as you have done, dsc off, low range.....but the biggest key is light throttle percentage as this will not force dsc to kick in.

I have travelled the biggest dunes in WA with ease, predominantly from light throttle input. Too much stick, and dsc will stick kick in and retard forward movement causing unnecessary gear changes and rooster tails.

I showed a fellow aulro member this, and even though the temptation was there against his instinct, he listened and blew the biggest dunes away.

Brett....

Thanks guys, nice to know there's a solution.
...although you'd think on a 100k vehicle they'd include 600 bucks worth of functionality!

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Originally Posted by Jimlr

Thanks guys, nice to know there's a solution.
...although you'd think on a 100k vehicle they'd include 600 bucks worth of functionality!

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Unfortunately we all live in a litigious society - imagine the legal action against Landrover if someone crashed as disco at 180kph when at offroad height and it was caused by a stability issue. You modify the vehicle then it is your issue.

Garry

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Originally Posted by lpj

Check the markets section of this forum. Someone is selling a Llams kit that they claim was never fitted.

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Is it the same kit for a D3 and D4?

Is it DSC or ETC kicking in...I assume DSC because LRs typically only applies brakes for traction control unlike the Japanese makes. Can you absolutely keep DSC off on a d3/4 for sand use?

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Dagilmo

Is it the same kit for a D3 and D4?

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Yes, & RRS too.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Can you absolutely keep DSC off on a d3/4 for sand use?

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Yes but.................it will reset ON every time you change the TR mode or restart the car. Hence why so many of us have got caught out. When my boys were younger and we were doing Fraser Is, I had them trained to yell out "DSC" every time we got in the car.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Can you absolutely keep DSC off on a d3/4 for sand use?

Cheers

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No, you can only desensitise it - hence the throttle trick we teach on our terrain-response driver training. Once you master it, it turns the car into quite the sand weapon!

Cheers,

Gordon

Reading the TR development document that was put up last week, it would seem that Landrover had major issues developing the system. According to the document when DSC is on it is actually changed with each TR setting to reduce its impact so in theory DSC should not have to be turned off - but as both LR and we have found LR could quite manage it and as a result DSC needs to be turned off with each TR change - but as Gordon has mentioned at the extremes it can still kick in so throttle in moderation (just enough that is needed to do the job) is still needed.

Garry