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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    It can't be compliant because if pin #2 is wired for rear fog lamps and is connected to a trailer wired for AS2513 with reversing lamps, it means you can turn on white lights at the rear from the drivers position. Totally illegal.
    As you have said "You" can turn on the fog lights. You know you shouldn't so don't.
    It is compliant otherwise the vehicle would not be sold. LR have been rejected on many fronts on other small niggling things which we laughed at.
    And ah No, recall won't be necessary, no need to cut your fingers off so the fog light switch is turned on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniegy View Post
    As you have said "You" can turn on the fog lights. You know you shouldn't so don't.
    It is compliant otherwise the vehicle would not be sold. LR have been rejected on many fronts on other small niggling things which we laughed at.
    And ah No, recall won't be necessary, no need to cut your fingers off so the fog light switch is turned on!
    With a response like that Land Rover can deal with the Dept. of Infrastructure and Regional Development. Its been reported to Investigations and Recalls, Vehicle Safety Standards, Department of Infrastructure and Transport.

    You do realise that most Land Rover drivers don't have eyes on stalks that can check the rear of their trailer while they're driving. Particularly if they correctly use the rear fog lamps only in adverse conditions.

    I would take bets that the majority of Land Rover Discovery and RRS drivers would not have a clue about this issue.

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    Maybe I'm missing something, but why would you activate rear fog lights when the trailer on the back would be in the way? I didn't think fog lights were a requirement on Oz vehicles, so there's no requirement to turn them on anyway?

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    I think the point is that they can be turned on and if they are turned then you have an issue if the driver is unaware of the problem.

    Where I live we regularly have heavy fog and plenty of people use their fog lights.

    I'm with Diana - Land Rover should make sure that the plugs are compatible with the local standards. If I was not a member of this forum I would never have known of this issue and it is clear that some members here have been caught out with other wiring issues.

    PS I cant understand why you would have a vehicle capable of towing 3.5 tonnes that does not have a standard interface to install an EBC with out pulling the trim apart. Discoveries sold in North America have it. Can't understand why the same interface is not available here.
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    Di, I thought you were part of a group that meet regularly with land rover to discuss vehicle issues and issues with dealerships......could this be resolved at one of those meetings?

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    The Answer to the above question has been moved to alalternative thread. what wiring standard... - thread tangent: AULRO-LRA liasion
    Last edited by Lotz-A-Landies; 15th February 2014 at 07:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBD4 View Post
    I think the point is that they can be turned on and if they are turned then you have an issue if the driver is unaware of the problem.

    Where I live we regularly have heavy fog and plenty of people use their fog lights.

    I'm with Diana - Land Rover should make sure that the plugs are compatible with the local standards. If I was not a member of this forum I would never have known of this issue and it is clear that some members here have been caught out with other wiring issues.

    PS I cant understand why you would have a vehicle capable of towing 3.5 tonnes that does not have a standard interface to install an EBC with out pulling the trim apart. Discoveries sold in North America have it. Can't understand why the same interface is not available here.
    I think you are correct on that issue but I think it is mandated in the US where JLR have assumed that ISO1724 will suit Australia because of our historical links to the UK.

    From the information I have been able to find, electric brakes are unusual or even rare in the UK.

    Unless the issue is brought to the attention of LRA: that we probably need our vehicles wired for the brake controller interface cable with compatible/ADR 42 compliant trailer sockets nothing will be done.

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    Folks, this issue is a state based issue.

    ADRs are not national based laws or regulations, and only become laws and/or regulations if a particular state makes it part of that state’s regulations.

    Furthermore, this thread is just like the arguments put foreword about the use of fog lights on the front of vehicles.

    In most states, they are illegal to use in anything but in fog or bad weather, but this doesn't stop ******* using them at night in good whether, blinding on coming drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivesafe View Post
    Folks, this issue is a state based issue.

    ADRs are not national based laws or regulations, and only become laws and/or regulations if a particular state makes it part of that state’s regulations.

    Furthermore, this thread is just like the arguments put foreword about the use of fog lights on the front of vehicles.

    In most states, they are illegal to use in anything but in fog or bad weather, but this doesn't stop ******* using them at night in good whether, blinding on coming drivers.
    I also find some of the new LED "running lights" exceedingly bright...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drivesafe View Post
    Folks, this issue is a state based issue.

    ADRs are not national based laws or regulations, and only become laws and/or regulations if a particular state makes it part of that state’s regulations.

    ...
    I'd have to disagree with you on this one. The ADRs are most certainly national based laws or regulations. They are in fact a section of the Commonwealth "Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989" the same piece of legislation under which the compliance plate is affixed to new cars.

    Where it gets confused is how the various state jurisdictions treat the application of the ADR.

    If a vehicle is complianced under commonwealth law managaged by a commonwealth department (DOTARS) and it in fact doesn't meet the standards in such legislation at the time of the approval then it is a commonwealth issue and not a state issue.

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