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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich84 View Post
    The price I paid was:
    -Denso alternator $501.00
    -900cca DIN85L Century battery - $200 (admittedly I got mates rates on that, but only had to replace due to my friend inadvertently twisting off the negative terminal on OEM battery)
    -about 30 minutes of my own time to install.
    I paid $0

    Not sure why I was given the paperwork with all the $$$ values there, with Renault they had $0.00 for any warranty work.

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    Success

    Good news!

    The wait was not long and the email I missed with the shipping so apologies there folks.

    Denso alternator charging at 13.6 volts. Compared to OEX 14.9 ...

    Moral of the story; not only does a poor man pay twice but so does an impatient one!

    Mind you I did ask my friendly sales rep at Ashdown Ingram "is it good quality?" Of course he said yes...

    No more OEX parts for me!

    By the way I think it took longer to try to make the positive battery terminal tight then it took to change the alternator...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiojeffe View Post
    Good news!

    The wait was not long and the email I missed with the shipping so apologies there folks.

    Denso alternator charging at 13.6 volts. Compared to OEX 14.9 ...

    Moral of the story; not only does a poor man pay twice but so does an impatient one!

    Mind you I did ask my friendly sales rep at Ashdown Ingram "is it good quality?" Of course he said yes...

    No more OEX parts for me!

    By the way I think it took longer to try to make the positive battery terminal tight then it took to change the alternator...
    As I understand it there was nothing wrong with the OEX alternator - it was just not suited to your vehicle - or am I missing something here.

    During this thread you have not mentioned what model Disco or what engine. I assumed a D3 with TDV6 and I guess so did most others.

    I just looked at the OEX catelogue and they do not list an alternator for the TDV6 at all and for the petrol 4.0 V6 lists two different alternators (one early and one late) and a different alternator again for the V8s.

    I suspect you just got the wrong alternator.

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    Hi Rich 84, Where did you purchase you Denso from?

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    A new twist

    What a circus. After a few weeks of on and off whining, I had the D4 half out the garage, listening to the alternator with a stethoscope. After starting and stopping a few times, the D4 became hard to start, would not start and everything went black. Total failure, and a puff of smoke from the alternator. Well at least I had confirmation of the problem source.

    Then the circus began, as even with the handbrake disengaged and the transmission in neutral, the vehicle refused to move. This is now 8.00pm and I cannot even get the garage door closed.

    I am making an assumption, but it seems that if you have an 'E' diff ( fitted to mine ) it can/will lock up when there is loss of power. I had to jack the rear end up and use rollers under the rear wheels to slide it rearwards out of the garage.

    Tomorrow the hunt for a replacement alternator begins. Here's hoping nothing else is damaged. I noticed there was a short across the battery once the alternator had failed. Hopefully I got to it in time. It seems to be responding to a charge.
    D4 2.7litre

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    Sorry a bit late to this thread, but I have had the same experience. This is a major design fault with this car and should never have been allowed to happen.

    I saw the alternator light come on and kept driving to home and was getting the burning smell. I got home and turned the car off and went inside to check AULRO saw that leaving the battery connected would drain the battery, but by the time I got out there the main battery was flat. When the flatbed came it was so dead we couldn't shift the car into neutral or release the park brake to winch it up. Pulled the emergency park brake release, and then jumped from the second battery just to get enough juice to put it in park.

    Upshot was
    New alternator
    New main battery (killed one was only about 3 months old)
    New Llams unit (as old one was killed somehow in the repair process. Greame was a legend in supporting his product on this one, thanks Greame)

    Terrible design and dangerous if this happened in a remote location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADMIRAL View Post
    even with the handbrake disengaged and the transmission in neutral, the vehicle refused to move. ....I am making an assumption, but it seems that if you have an 'E' diff ( fitted to mine ) it can/will lock up when there is loss of power. I had to jack the rear end up and use rollers under the rear wheels to slide it rearwards out of the garage.
    It seems more likely that the park brake was still applied. The e-diff would have had no reason to be locked and even if the e-diff was locked the vehicle would still roll unless trying to turn significantly.

    Will you be installing a dedicated and appropriately fused alternator power cable to prevent a repeat occurrence?
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    I'm keen to avoid meltdown when my alternator kicks the bucket ... Can you explain what you mean Graeme in simple terms (ie like I'm five !) ? Would you suggest something preemptive noting my charging system has just turned 10 ?

    Thanks in advance !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    It seems more likely that the park brake was still applied. The e-diff would have had no reason to be locked and even if the e-diff was locked the vehicle would still roll unless trying to turn significantly.

    Will you be installing a dedicated and appropriately fused alternator power cable to prevent a repeat occurrence?
    Logical practical useful post!
    2003 D2a Auto TD5 good Landy gone
    2015 D4 probably the most amazing yet, why get a RR?

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    The alternator power lead is connected to the starter motor power lead at the starter motor. The starter motor lead is protected by a 500A fuse at the battery. The problem lies with the 500A fuse being too high to blow if the alternator short circuits. A separate power lead directly from the alternator to a fuse mounted near the battery would allow the use of a fuse rated a little higher than the alternator's maximum output which would blow if the rectifier diodes short circuited. The fuse would need to be rated at least 20A higher than the alternator o/p. For the 3.0's 180A alternator I have chosen 200A with a 210A as a backup when I get to fit the cable to my D4. However I don't know if the 3.0's alternator is fitted with Zener diodes that deteriorate with use and usually fail short circuit rather than open circuit as LR went out to tender for a new alternator for the 3.0. Only some manufacturers use Zener diodes as the main rectifier diodes - others use Zener diodes in the regulator circuit to cause alternator shutdown to protect ecus if the voltage runs away due to the battery becoming disconnected or goes open-circuit.

    Ford fitted a distinct alternator lead to the 2.7 fitted to the Territory - they did a proper job!
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