Thread: DC-DC charger- which one?

Ah yes but it allows them to claim better fuel economy numbers, and also to claim lower emission numbers in Europe, which has a big bearing on rego costs.
That is most probably why you cannot permanently disable the function as it is an emission reducing feature.

I guess my main thought on this and the variable voltage thing is that they could have made the D3/D4 much more economical by reducing the weight by 300- 400Kg as they have now done with the Range Rover and Sport. But it was a quick and dirty design which was wildly successful for them so who can argue?

But I wonder how long until LR get to the stage like with Prius in USA where I can recall reading of many faults that no dealer can fix because of the complete computer control of the car. I mean even the D2 has the bloody indicators going through the BCM. Why?

I was also thinking about the new Ingenium engine and how they have used roller bearings in the cam, offset crank etc , and the homogenized EGR. All this friction reducing stuff has been known for 50-100 years ( well maybe not EGR) but was always too expensive. ( except maybe for Honda where my old N600 and the 1300 had a roller crank in the 60s)
I will bet it will be harder to disable the EGR on an Ingenium!

So I guess it will go until it doesn't then you throw it away. It will be interesting to know whether the next generation of Disco will have an Ingenium and whether you will have to take off the body to change a turbo. I bet not as one of the stated aims of the Ingenium was to minimise special tools and enhance serviceability. Maybe LR have learned something from feedback about the absurdity of having to remove the body for service items. Maybe it is costing them a bomb for warranty!

Regards Philip A

the current tech of stop start is precursive to the next level.

augmented drive is the way of the futer for now and companies are experimenting with their tech to make it all work.

the next generational development of vehicles will see us all with the flywheel, starter and alternator replaced with an all in one unit thats inverter driven.

all o it less to do with how muh it costs you to run the vehicle and more of it to do with the emissions. essentially all the benefits we see will be side effects of the car companies trying to beat emission rules.

I for one will not be having a bar of it. I'll still be dogding all of it by running proper mechanical linkages fed on anything I can get into the pump that can impersonate something oily and combustible. Of course, I'll still be fixin the new tech I just wont be driving it.

my bet is the near future we will be able to obtain self contained inverter driven bushless starters to replace ones that burn out from stop start drive. At this point we're all going to look back at the simplicity of threads like this one and wonder why we were all so tizzed up about it.

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Originally Posted by Fluids

What's worse ... extra emmissions from extra idling time, or the extra emmissions from re-manufacturing starter batteries and starter motors more frequently ??

Thank you Fluids, this has been my argument against these new emission reduction features for some years now.

STOP/START may be fine in city driving, but as fluids posted, we are yet to see the long term effects of these functions on vehicle parts and lets face the truth here, Land Rover, for one, does not have a particularly good record when it comes to reliability.

But I suspect we are going to see quite a few makes having problems with some of the potential failures these things may develop, but worse still, they have not been round long enough to see if any potential faults are actually life threatening, and I am not just talking about Land Rovers, I mean all makes have yet to prove how fail safe each system is going to be after a few years of use.

And all this is supposed to help reduce exhaust emissions, but from everything I have read, this is only based on the amount of reduction at the time the compliance plate is fitted to the vehicle.

Not once have I seen, as Fluid pointed out, a Dust to Dust analysis of the total emission created while making the ORIGINAL and any REPLACEMENT parts for STOP/START systems.

even if the starter motors are beefed up to cope long term with the stop/start engines, how much of a PITA are they going to be when the engines themselves start getting older and dont start as quickly as they used to

What I don't understand is that in the past mechanical devices were built and put into place (motor/pump units for example) that once fitted could never be replaced and they have continued (with maintenance) to run for decades and we can't make a starter (just an elec motor after all) last the life of a car?

I've only killed one starter, as it stayed engaged after starting. Boy did that smell bad after runnning engaged for a couple of hours at god knows what RPM. Many have died through "natural" causes (planned failure)

Been playing with the stop start on our new Mazda 2 auto. If you lift the foot slightly off the brake pedal it restarts. Mazda sold us a six year warranty so they must think the stop start starter will last at least that long.

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Originally Posted by shanegtr

even if the starter motors are beefed up to cope long term with the stop/start engines, how much of a PITA are they going to be when the engines themselves start getting older and dont start as quickly as they used to

not going to be a problem guys the life of type for the vehicle this tech is fitted to is shorter than the life of the gear fitted.

Who these days wants to be in last years model when you can have tomorrows car today and get an extra shoe holder i to the bargin.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

not going to be a problem guys the life of type for the vehicle this tech is fitted to is shorter than the life of the gear fitted.

Who these days wants to be in last years model when you can have tomorrows car today and get an extra shoe holder i to the bargin.

Me because I dont want to spend the $$ on a new car. The most I've ever paid for a car is $27K. My daily run around for work under $5K