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    Hi everyone,

    I've been back on the forum in the last few weeks after a long hiatus since i sold my first Disco a number of years ago. I must say that it's gotten even better than when I used to be on it! So many interesting builds and threads, and none of the crap you often find elsewhere. Thanks for being a bunch of legends AULRO

    We've been told that the gearbox in our 20yr old camry is on its way out and I'm looking at getting a 4wd to replace it. I miss heading bush and driving on the beach and generally going places most can't - unfortunately the camrys not so great at that sort of stuff...

    Oh, before we get too far it's worth noting I'm doing as much research as I can now so that if the camry does kick it I have a good understanding of what I want before I rush out and buy a new car. So I may not be buying anything in the next year, and so some of my assumptions below may change (such as the release of the next Disco).

    I also know this questions been asked a million times, but some of my questions haven't been answered elsewhere so I'm gonna post them here.

    Anyway, I've always wanted a Disco again, but having heard of sensor issues on the D3 I have been doubtful I'd ever buy one again. So after looking at the obvious alternatives (Prado, 100 series, Kia Sorrento, Jeeps) I've decided that none of them combine the comfort and capability of the Disco, and none (apart from maybe the Kia) are any cheaper to own or fix. I'm sure most of you already knew that

    It will be a family car that my wife will drive most of the time, and I reckon it will do 95% on and 5% off road (that 5% will hopefully include some fun tracks!). I also have the intention of a 6 month round Aus trip in about 5 years time. I also plan to keep the car for 10 years+ if I can.

    I have asked my mechanic and he votes D4 all the way - more power, better tech, less problems (in his experience). I have since been reading through these forums to find pros and cons for both D3 and D4, as well as checking carsales for available cars and prices (NSW only at this stage). I have picked 3 cars to compare, and would appreciate your feedback! (This is only to compare general prices and Km's so I won't post direct links to the adverts).

    2006 D3 - $25K - 160 000km
    Pros
    • Can fit 17" rims (therefore cheaper tyres too!)
    • HEAPS cheaper
    • Can fit rear locker if no E-diff


    Cons
    • Older tech (newer is more capable out of the box Hill Descent etc)
    • No hands free bluetooth AFAIK
    • Older motor - less power (not that interested in Chipping/Reflashing ECU)
    • more k's and years means more unknowns (has the gearbox been serviced?)
    • It's already 9yrs old - when do D3's start wearing out? I don't want to get 5 years down the track and have issues when I'm planning to go on a large trip. Is this concern unfounded?



    2010 D4 2.7L - $50k - 80 000km
    Pros
    • Half the kays
    • Same motor (isn't it?) but new tech and electronics
    • only 5 yrs old
    • Can still fit 17" rims
    • Bluetooth


    Cons
    • Twice the price of a D3!!
    • Less power than 3.0L
    • Twice the price of a D3!! ($25k is a big difference!)
    • No rear diff lock if no E-diff (unless ARB has added one lately?)


    2010 D4 3.0L - $50k - 130 000km
    Pros
    • extra power and economy
    • New tech and electronics
    • only 5 yrs old
    • Bluetooth


    Cons
    • $50k - $25 more than D3
    • 19" rims (18"GOE otption)
    • No rear diff lock if no E-diff


    To me the price is a massive killer of the D4 dream. Is the step up really worth $25K? Will I regret not buying a 3.0L D4? (I plan to wait as long as possible before buying, or until the new D5 comes out and prices hopefully drop a little more). Also, spec isn't a major thing for me - they all have leather, and the only other thing I'd really like is Bluetooth hands free phone (though keyless entry would be a nice bonus!)

    What do you guys think? Feel free to add any info you think would help!

    Cheers

    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco-tastic View Post
    they all have leather, and the only other thing I'd really like is Bluetooth hands free phone
    Not all, mine has cloth seats, only one other had cloth when I was looking for a D3 last year.
    And if you get the base stereo you could always replace it with a decent double din with bluetooth to sort out the phone issue.
    Me personally I couldnt afford the D4 (actually I probably could - more like I didnt want to spend that much on something Im only going to use offroad like a 4wd was intended to be)
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    Get into it

    For me I would be going for the youngest vehicle from an age perspective. In reality none of the vehicles you have mentioned really have what I consider to be a lot of km's on them. In my view a better measure is reflected in how they have been used / driven on / off road and where, city vs country. Most will have spent their time punting around town or on the highway. In any case a good expert's inspection will assisting your understanding. The newer vehicle would / should have better technology and potentially more fruit.

    Some times the 'saving' at the time of purchase turns into the 'spending' after the purchase if you know what I mean!

    My wives D2 has around 260,000kms on it is is going strong! I guess I better clutch a lot of wood having said that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanegtr View Post
    Not all, mine has cloth seats, only one other had cloth when I was looking for a D3 last year.
    hi shane. Thanks for the feedback! Yeah I'd heard some had cloth but I havent seen any yet.

    And if you get the base stereo you could always replace it with a decent double din with bluetooth to sort out the phone issue.
    Thats good to know. Are the higher spec stereos swappable? I was concerned that everythinf was so integrated changin the stereo might cause more trouble than its worth...

    Me personally I couldnt afford the D4 (actually I probably could - more like I didnt want to spend that much on something Im only going to use offroad like a 4wd was intended to be)
    Yeah I'm similar. My initial budget was $30k so a D3 fits quite nicely there. But I keep hearing better things about the D4 and if I can wait a year they might be a better buy. I do want to get off road as much as possible, but in reality it will be a couple of camping trips a year, plus the odd family picnic.

    Thanks again!

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    D3 with the low end stereo is easy to swap the stereo out. D4 looks more modern (painted guards and bumpers, LED lights. so I guess gives more of the illusion of grandeur.

    the D3 though is much cheaper, I got my 2008 D3s for under 30K over 6 months ago. seen HSE's with similar kms that have done no more than run the kids to soccer practice for sub 30K and most are newer than 2006. . . .

    If you can afford the D4 3.0 its probably worth it though, the 3.0 is meant to be leagues ahead of the 2.7. a 2.7 D4 over a 2.7 D3 though? nah. . . id save my pennies and get the D3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGM View Post
    Some times the 'saving' at the time of purchase turns into the 'spending' after the purchase if you know what I mean!

    My wives D2 has around 260,000kms on it is is going strong! I guess I better clutch a lot of wood having said that!
    Thanks LGM! This is what im not sure about. If im paying $25k for a car that I expect to last 10 years then thats 2.5k a year. So a car four years younger should be an extra 10k plus the value of a better motor/spec/etc (all things such as services and repairs considered equal). Thats my logic at the moment - I guess im posting on here to see if that thinking is reasonable!


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    Hi Disco-tastic,


    I like your logic, except the part where "All things/repairs considered equal".


    I don't think that's a very good assumption, because given age and wear of vehicle increases repair costs, I am not sure how you could consider repairs/maintenance of a 4yo car to be the same as a 15yo.


    That's not even adding the extra cost of a breakdown in the middle of your outback trip.


    I prefer to think of the potential cost of the worst case repair scenario/cost and then add probabilities to all of them. Not exactly sure how you would do that accurately for Discos unless you read a lot of articles on here, but based on my short experience, it appears that the D4s are much more reliable so certainly would give me more peace of mind in our trip around this great land.


    Just my 2c worth and no offence to other D3 owners.

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    I had the same deliberation.

    Drove both and upsold myself to the D4... then drove both engines and had to have the 3ltr... then the 8 speed... then I bought brand new!! And couldn't be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy_Riding View Post
    D3 with the low end stereo is easy to swap the stereo out. D4 looks more modern (painted guards and bumpers, LED lights. so I guess gives more of the illusion of grandeur.
    Haha "Illusion of Grandeur". Nice. I could always get a D3 and swap the lights and guards to make it look like a D4!

    the D3 though is much cheaper, I got my 2008 D3s for under 30K over 6 months ago. seen HSE's with similar kms that have done no more than run the kids to soccer practice for sub 30K and most are newer than 2006. . . .
    I will have to keep my eye out...

    If you can afford the D4 3.0 its probably worth it though, the 3.0 is meant to be leagues ahead of the 2.7. a 2.7 D4 over a 2.7 D3 though? nah. . . id save my pennies and get the D3.

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    Thanks Leroy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by First LR View Post
    Hi Disco-tastic,


    I like your logic, except the part where "All things/repairs considered equal".


    I don't think that's a very good assumption, because given age and wear of vehicle increases repair costs, I am not sure how you could consider repairs/maintenance of a 4yo car to be the same as a 15yo.


    That's not even adding the extra cost of a breakdown in the middle of your outback trip.


    I prefer to think of the potential cost of the worst case repair scenario/cost and then add probabilities to all of them. Not exactly sure how you would do that accurately for Discos unless you read a lot of articles on here, but based on my short experience, it appears that the D4s are much more reliable so certainly would give me more peace of mind in our trip around this great land.


    Just my 2c worth and no offence to other D3 owners.
    Thanks FirstLR,

    I pretty much completely agree with what you're saying. From what i've read the D4's are generally less prone to problems (you would expect that I suppose) but a bit of preventative maintenance and correct spares should mean the D3 isn't far behind.

    What I meant with the all things equal statement was that a D4 would cost about the same to service/repair as a D3 in a similar stage of life, i.e between a 10yr old D3 and a 10yr old D4 the costs of maintenance would be similar. Dunno if I've explained that very well...

    Regardless, I appreciate your 2c!

    Dan

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