Thread: Choice to make SE or HSE ?? Comments please

Thanks Andrew - coming from a fr 2 2.2 td4 so almost 400nm in 1600kg car - need a test drive I feel

Took both tdv6 & sdv6 for a test drive .... No competition for my lead foot - has to be the sdv6 - I've got permagrin and I haven't bought anything yet

If your looking to spend $90k, you should consider taking a 2012 Range Rover Vogue for a drive and experience the 4.4 tdv8 with 700nm of torque.

Pretty confident MY15 all have rear camera as standard


I liked the grunt of the SDV6 too so bought a used MY14 last December - 6 months old - with 23k on it. I spent more than I was originally planning to (I was looking at MY12's initially) but I love the car and the permagrin comes to me sometimes when even just thinking about the next trip!


For me the only things I missed out on were the reversing camera (which I have subsequently retrofitted) and rear air conditioning. I would have optioned that into a new purchase... (if I have some more moments of craziness I'll investigate retrofitting that too! )


Lots of other nice goodies on the HSE but nothing I can't live without. Everyone has their own list of things that matter though...


David

Originally Posted by Meken

Mainly looking for satnav & rear camera (which I believe should be compulsory) )

The SE 2015 has most of what the 2012 HSE had. Of course the later has the 8 speed. Which goes faster, and uses less fuel. Yep ... In off road mode, the 8 speed give you a higher top speed too. And on road, lower revs on the highway ... the 8 speed grabs gears quicker - it uses the torque converter less. The torque converter is what produces heat, and its heat that kills gearboxes. Hence the 8 speed may be more reliable. I expect it will be if the vehicle is hard used.

The key differences are the memory seats. The side bolster adjustment is really a gimmic. My HSE also has Windsor leather ... which is better leather. But .... you must get the later vehicle. The age of the car makes a huge difference with resale, and more so with Land Rovers, which dive in value a lot when they leave warranty. Cars are valued on the year they were registered primarily - the difference between the HSE (which I have) and an SE are very marginal indeed. A TD is quite a bit more different, due to the seats lacking small back support adjustment if you sit with the seat raised. But in the TD if you sit close to the floor, the seats are just as good as my Windsor leather HSE seats. And the motor ... but I think I would recommend a 2015 TD versus the 2012 HSE. Really, the TD is a loss leader, its a bargain actually. It lacks some go, but really, its got plenty anyhow. That your looking at an SE is incredible - get the 2015 SE for goodness sakes.

A newer car is money in the bank. Many of the features of a 2012 HSE found their way onto the 2015's SE too.

There is no comparison ... and if the SE lacks Sat Nav, then get third party one. And for off road, the third party is much better.

If you want air conditioning in the back, that is really the only big difference ... make the headlamps too ... but I've found my top end headlamps while nice and wide, aren't piercing ... One needs spots anyway if you want great lights.

And the rear comfort can still be found by using the front air ... the roof top stuff is a gimmick unless your in northern QLD and driving five kids to school ...

Get the windows tinted well by the dealer, try to squeeze an extra warranty for a bit extra - and get the newer one. It will be easier to sell, more reliable, it will be be worth quite a bit more. People primarily want a newer vehicle when buying used. You be the same, but try and get the two years extra warranty. Their buy price is likely $2k, but if you get it for nothing, that is a huge win. But its worth $2k actually, and if you pinch it for less than that, your doing great.

The only downer with all this, is that the new very different Disco model will come in a year. That will make all our vehicles leap down in value. But I would not want to buy the new ones either ... the current model is well developed and seems to have the bugs removed. No manufacturer produces new models without heaps of bugs ... and Land Rover would have more than other makers with a whole new model IMO. So ... the 2015 is said to be the last update of the current Disco 4 now Disco vehicle ... your's would be that last excellent series. Go for the later vehicle.

Hi All,


I'm on my second SE (MY10 [AUG 2009 build] and MY13 [SEP 2013 build]) and none were 'standard' SE. I think you'll find it the norm that there are all sorts of smatterings of extra options on these cars. So as everybody says, make your list and shop around.


When I was shopping around early last year, I actually found on the Net a comprehensive list for Australian MY 13 comparing all the options.


From memory standard SE to HSE differences were:

• HSE has different wheels (but the SE definitely comes with wheels )
• HSE has High Ice H&K sound system (which is the enabler for Reverse Camera and SatNav, as this system has a touch-screen)
• HSE has Bi-Xenon headlights
• HSE has front Park Sensors
• HSE has Rear A/C
• HSE has memory seats
• HSE has SatNav

I don't know what the MY15 differences are. but as stated more stuff is being put in the newer cars .... electric seats for example were not standard in a MY10 SE but were in the MY13.

My first D4 had Bi-Xenon, High Ice and SatNav. The newer one has High Ice, Reverse Camera, Rear Air. So I can talk from experience what I think matters option wise.

• Rear Air - I live in Brissy and it rarely gets used.
• Reverse Camera - A must (so that means High Ice as a minimum). Well, I lived for 4.5 years without it in the first one .... LOL!!!
• SatNav - I don't have it in the newer car and have a range topping TomTom. Whilst the TomTom is definitely better and more flexible/useful in some ways, it isn't perfect and not always accurate. It's also in the way on your windscreen. For my money, I'd go back to OEM integrated. It's in your dash and is integrated with Voice Command. Now while that may not help too many people, most folks probably don't realise that the LR SatNav has the Voice Command module built in. So that means, no SatNav, no Voice Command on anything .... including your phone ..... which I find a massive PITA. Don't know if this is still current in MY15. I've heard rumours that all major brands are looking at open-source touchscreens (MFD) for the future, so that should fix the OEM SatNav shortfalls anyway.
• Front Park Sensors - Very helpful I imagine. I didn't have them on the older and don't on the new and wish I did quite often.
• Memory Seats - My MY13 has electric (non-memory) and they are pretty good. Due to the seating stance in a D4 I don't find them as susceptible to the same orientation issues suffered in other cars. As in my sedan, the seat has to be just right .... not so in the D4 and I often change it based on what footwear I'm wearing (if any), etc.
• Bi-Xenon - I had on the old not on the newer. I think the Halogen suck!

Other considerations:

• Think run-out or ex-Demo. Whilst choices can be limited, there are huge saving to be had rather than buying off-the-book. I got an ex-Demo first time and an unregistered run-out for the MY13.
• If you go through a dealer remember that location is only a limited constraint. On both occasions, I negotiated the price and then got the dealer to transport from Cairns to Brissy free of charge.
• Also, negotiate price and get them to throw in tint, mudflaps, floor mats and the tow pack. Did this both times and they don't balk.
• Once in run-out or Ex-Demo land, I'd be surprised if there was a huge price difference between an HSE or SE. Once second hand, any HSE owner charging anywhere near the new car difference, is in dream-land.
• Somebody mentioned $90K on the beach ..... Absolutely! They are pretty easy to clean and keep clean.
• Extended Warranty - There is a lot of reading to do on this forum on this topic .... it's far from black and white.

Hope this helps.

I came from a FL2 td4 as well. Planned to get my D4 up to about 4 years old in higher spec but the lure of the 3ltr and 8 speed in a MY14 runout povo pack was much stronger than the lure of the extra fruit on the older SE and HSE.

Given the warranty and free servicing, it also gave some piece of mind that I should have low ongoings for the next 3 years.

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

The key differences are the memory seats. The side bolster adjustment is really a gimmick.

Really? Do you mean they don't add any extra support, or is the mechanism a gimmick? I'd like to get better seats but I don't want to spend almost $3k on the pack unless the seats give significantly better support.