Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Also guys make sure you click "here" on that link i posted. It tested every single LR vehicle and guess which one ended up 1st. The reasons are explained and the problem most of you d4 guys have is understanding what is required "off road". Great read.

The d4 is superior to the defender in everything except offroad capability and "bushability", its better at everything else becuase its designed as the middle ground between the range rover and the defender. The defender is designed as LRs "toughest" vehicle for a reason.

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It's a bit of a mixed bag of comments, some directly contradicting each other and directly contradicting the two 'qualified drivers' 'opinions'...... which is funny, cause it's the same guy ... LOL!!!


When the first one starts with, you have to wonder -


One big advantage over the Defender over the D4 is load carrying ability. That Defender 110 can carry 1000kg. The D4 is around 750kg, which is a lot less. Then there's the cargo area in the rear, which in the D4 is impressive, but not next to the Defender which is bigger again. Then there's the fuel economy - out in the rough, heavily loaded, the D4 isn't going to touch the Defender for fuel usage. In fact, I've said before and I'll say again, there's nothing on the market that can carry as much load as well over rough terrain using as little fuel as a Defender. The D4 certainly can't.


A 110 cannot exceed 3,050kg total all up weight. A D4 cannot exceed 3,240kg. So far so good, the D4 is heavier to start with. What does a 90 carry? What he fails to mention is the fact that this only applies to the complete Deefer range, if they aren't towing. That may or may not matter to some folks but it's a bit of selective reporting.


The fuel usage claim contradicts even LRs numbers.


As for his TC comments, etc ..... instant credibility fail there too. What he has effectively said is "if you don't do the fundamentals and set your D4 up for the conditions, all your electronics won't help you". But he was making this comment in direct relation to the D4's weight ..... which is over 200KG lighter than a fully loaded 130 and less than 200kg heavier than a 110 full loaded. Make your mind up journo man!.... LOL!!!


As for the other "here" analogy about the closeness of the comparison being not that close at all (I'm paraphrasing) ... well he's just lost instant credibility there as well.


Very mixed bag with questionable credibility in some areas and also very good stuff in other areas.

I have stopped laughing now....its stale. It really is each to their own in the main. And who cares really.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Also guys make sure you click "here" on that link i posted. It tested every single LR vehicle and guess which one ended up 1st. The reasons are explained and the problem most of you d4 guys have is understanding what is required "off road". Great read.

The d4 is superior to the defender in everything except offroad capability and "bushability", its better at everything else becuase its designed as the middle ground between the range rover and the defender. The defender is designed as LRs "toughest" vehicle for a reason.

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"First time poster. Recently bought 2012 110 wagon for work. Had rangies for years and never a problem. Defender has had immobilizer issue, output shaft let go at 42000k, now blown turbo/intercooler hose at 45000k. Limp home mode! Are things like this going to keep happening, losing faith in my favourite marque of vehicle. In fairness land rover did cover the gearbox even though technically it was just out of warranty.
Thanks.
Michael."

Andrew

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I have stopped laughing now....its stale. It really is each to their own in the main. And who cares really.

Cheers

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If I remember right you said something similar about 500 posts ago. ... ;)

Probably Terry. I cant recall. It's all a blur. You could say "why keep looking at it" but Tapatalk keeps alerting me to new posts and besides its like watching a train wreck.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I have stopped laughing now....its stale. It really is each to their own in the main. And who cares really.

Cheers

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Yeah, we've hit my oft mentioned millennium posts .... let's park it :D.

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

It's a bit of a mixed bag of comments, some directly contradicting each other and directly contradicting the two 'qualified drivers' 'opinions'...... which is funny, cause it's the same guy ... LOL!!!


When the first one starts with, you have to wonder -


One big advantage over the Defender over the D4 is load carrying ability. That Defender 110 can carry 1000kg. The D4 is around 750kg, which is a lot less. Then there's the cargo area in the rear, which in the D4 is impressive, but not next to the Defender which is bigger again. Then there's the fuel economy - out in the rough, heavily loaded, the D4 isn't going to touch the Defender for fuel usage. In fact, I've said before and I'll say again, there's nothing on the market that can carry as much load as well over rough terrain using as little fuel as a Defender. The D4 certainly can't.


A 110 cannot exceed 3,050kg total all up weight. A D4 cannot exceed 3,240kg. So far so good, the D4 is heavier to start with. What does a 90 carry? What he fails to mention is the fact that this only applies to the complete Deefer range, if they aren't towing. That may or may not matter to some folks but it's a bit of selective reporting.


The fuel usage claim contradicts even LRs numbers.


As for his TC comments, etc ..... instant credibility fail there too. What he has effectively said is "if you don't do the fundamentals and set your D4 up for the conditions, all your electronics won't help you". But he was making this comment in direct relation to the D4's weight ..... which is over 200KG lighter than a fully loaded 130 and less than 200kg heavier than a 110 full loaded. Make your mind up journo man!.... LOL!!!


As for the other "here" analogy about the closeness of the comparison being not that close at all (I'm paraphrasing) ... well he's just lost instant credibility there as well.


Very mixed bag with questionable credibility in some areas and also very good stuff in other areas.

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I'll just throw that extra 250kg in the trailer, nah buggar it, I'll throw an extra 500kg in there for good measure:p

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Then there's the fuel economy - out in the rough, heavily loaded, the D4 isn't going to touch the Defender for fuel usage. In fact, I've said before and I'll say again, there's nothing on the market that can carry as much load as well over rough terrain using as little fuel as a Defender. The D4 certainly can't.

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I cant believe this is still going and that I'm commenting again! Having owned 2 Deefers, including the Puma engined one that was the basis of this comparo, over a combined 12yr timeframe, and now a RRS all I can say is that my RRS uses less fuel under ALL conditions than my Puma regardless of payload, including towing. And this while doing it with more power, comfort, safety and driving pleasure. I drive it harder too cos I can! However, I do miss my Deefers tho'

D3/D4/RRS is crap
Defender is crap
V8 tojo Ute is where its at :cool: :tease: :p :angel:

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Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

D3/D4/RRS is crap
Defender is crap
V8 tojo Ute is where its at :cool: :tease: :p :angel:

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you are absolutely right Muppet. In fact all modern 4x4's are crap. So make a commitment to a brand and model you like, learn how to drive it and accept that there are some things it will excel at and others - epic fail! And - be prepared to pay to modify and maintain them - cos they're all crap.... Thanks Muppet for giving some perspective