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This is a puma
I thought we were discussing cars
Attachment 104334
This is a puma
I thought we were discussing cars
Ok you tell me, did LR not rename the Defender to Puma for the face lift 2006 model year on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meken
If they went back to calling it Defender at some stage that is fine as well but I always think of a Defender with a D3 dash in it as a Puma which the face lift 2006 model had, don't they still have a D3 dash in the new ones?
Plus for this conversation it makes it easier to differentiate between a 200TDI /300TDI Defender model and the post TD5 Puma's.
Terry, its always been the Defender. "Puma" refers to the engine in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryO
Have we seriously descended into arguing over what they're called? :p :Rolling:
The defender is an archaic work horse with character in spades, the discovery is a highly advanced and technically capable, comfortable vehicle that doesn't suit everyone.
Both are incredibly capable and are both better than Japanese offerings.
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Mr. Toyota said, cars should offer freedom.
?That's an element that cars should never lose,? he said. ?No matter what, cars need to win the love of their users.?
The Defender does this in spades in delivering an off road and on rod experience, are D3/D4 drivers as passionate about their cars?
Which model will original owners be patiently restoring, and fixing leaks in 2040
Which model will people be scouring Ebay in 2035 for a tidy 2015 example
Which model will people be trading in for a D5 or D6 from the whitegoods factory in Solihull without a backward look or a tear in their eye.
I think we all know which model brings the most joy to their ever patient owners.
So far this thread reads about 15% non-biased opinion from peiple who have driven both vehicles and know them well, and 85% peoples personal preference, with little regard to the original post comparing ability.
It is entertaining reading tho!
Maybe we should ask 4x4 overland to do a comparison?
Cheers
Dan
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Originally Posted by AndyG
I think you'd be surprised by the affect a D4 has on it's owners. After driving in lots Jap offerings the first thing that springs to mind for me was the lack of character they all had compared to a D4. A D4 just has a presence about it and 'feel' that is unmatched. It is hard to describe but the car has real character compared to the others. It also has style and class that the others don't have.
If you've read any article written by D4 owners when they first get their beast, the word 'Permagrin' is almost exclusively used to describe how they feel about the car .... that is no accident. The vehicle does affect the owner.
You can also tell .... interpret.... the look on non-LR owners faces when you drive past them on Moreton or Fraser (or the like). The look comes in two forms usually and is easy to spot .... the first one being a sly admiration .... usually followed up by questions about the car. Then you have the dyed in the wool, bone headed hatred .... that is harboured by non-LR owners that are too weak to admit that they really want one.....LOL!!!
I really missed my first D4 .... it had left it's mark after 4.5 years and it feels weird being in a brand new one (months after ownership), still missing and thinking about the old one.
Maybe I'm just weird .... LOL!!!
It must be the marque then
No you are ignoring the fact that a lot have it fitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryO
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130...deefers-2.html
Post 3230,and it looks great IMHO, I couldn't be bothered going past a few pages , but saw numerous at previous lr shows.
Another quick point, if you replace the lower kick panel with sliders like mulgo, ( your OP spec) you have around 60 cm before you hit a panel. How much do you have in a D4?
Still the d3/4 glass issue remains, unless the defenders window panels have been magically curved in the last week?
P.S puma is the FORD engine label,not the vehicles label, the ranger has 2 different puma donks, our 2.2 and the td5 3.2. The defender has had defender on its but since 200 tdi days. Also the LR2.5 td5 was called storm.
Apologies to Terry for contributing to off-topic discussion in a very interesting thread but...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyG
Ask my wife how passionate I am about the D4. And she'd be right too. It's a mistake to assume they are unloved because you see many of them on shopping trolley / soccer mum duty.
I hope the thread gets back on track but I suspect there'll be a few more D3/D4 owners with similar comments to mine.
Anyway, Gordon has a very interesting and instructive video of a Puma 110 and RRS going over the same difficult terrain. Not sure if it's public on YouTube but would be very useful for this thread.
Scott
