Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

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Originally Posted by TerryO

No need to make this personal Manic. Condescending smartarse comments do little other than to raise people's blood pressure and cause escalation. Either keep it on track and leave the personal comments out of it or leave the discussion thank you.

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:thumbdown: sorry it came across that way. This is your thread, I was on topic. The sprinkle of tongue in cheek banter hit off the mark. Not a personal attack or condescending.

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This thread is trolling. Troll responses should be welcomed for what they are- a silly response to a silly question.

We're all in this together, but pointless argument is pointless. Just like the Holden Vs Ford debate, the answer is muddied by varied beliefs, preferences, and what people value.
Actually this thread is more like comparing a late model Ex Autosalon Commodore Versus a 5 series BMW. Someone will be frothing over the fully sick bass, as it rattles the numberplate off the trunk lid, while others will prefer the ride and refinement which they bought to drive their trophy wives to the golf club.
Both get you A>B, but some people prefer 150dB @ 80Hz, others just like to get there with class, while spending waaay too much money getting there.

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

This thread is trolling. Troll responses should be welcomed for what they are- a silly response to a silly question.

We're all in this together, but pointless argument is pointless. Just like the Holden Vs Ford debate, the answer is muddied by varied beliefs, preferences, and what people value.
Actually this thread is more like comparing a late model Ex Autosalon Commodore Versus a 5 series BMW. Someone will be frothing over the fully sick bass, as it rattles the numberplate off the trunk lid, while others will prefer the ride and refinement which they bought to drive their trophy wives to the golf club.
Both get you A>B, but some people prefer 150dB @ 80Hz, others just like to get there with class, while spending waaay too much money getting there.

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Yeah except a d4 is better than a commodore and a defender better than a BMW.


OK I'm out. It was fun for a while. Love em all.

* Blasted nexus signature be gone *

Maybe it was a bad example, but some questions are best left unanswered...

Guys this thread has been going for 20 pages,its been quite entertaining at times.Lets see if we can get another 20 pages without anybody getting their knickers in a knot.
THANKS FELLAS.
Andrew

Can you even put bigger tyres on a D4? As many above had said i would be happy to take a D4 off road in terms of capability ( and I think it would be very relaxed to drive) but I would wince every time I pinstriped it.

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Originally Posted by dingsy

Can you even put bigger tyres on a D4? As many above had said i would be happy to take a D4 off road in terms of capability ( and I think it would be very relaxed to drive) but I would wince every time I pinstriped it.

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Of course you can,its the D4 3.0lt that has the 19" wheel issue wich basically has no tyre upgrades.One has to buy expensive speciality 18" wheels to get the 18" selection which do let you increase tyre rolling diameter significantly.There are only 2 manufacturers of wheels that will fit.
Andrew

Both vehicles will take you where you want to go 99% of the time
Damage to Deefer is said to add character; Damage to a D4 said to make you cry.
My D4 has proud pinstripes and 2 dents from off-roading (strangely, alongside Defenders, going everywhere they went, just a little more comfortably)
I'm thankful that I can recall the damage event; (hitting that random tree, and countless overgrown tracks) and not be the victim of an out of control Woolies trolley ;-)
I did purchase one of these though:

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Originally Posted by manic

But if you actually want listen to reason, you'll hear the truth. It is insane to truly believe the d3/d4 is better suited to offroad use than a defender. :). Never again will they build a 4x4 that can be properly abused, rebuilt and abused again and again

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I find this an odd argument. My new Defender is costing me $60k. I don't want to abuse it any more than I wanted to abuse my Disco. I do want to enjoy using it offroad as much as I have enjoyed the Disco.

Repairing panel damage on a Defender is just as expensive to do properly as it is on a Disco. That fact that you are able to live with a battered vehicle has more to do with its age and condition.

I'm not knocking that but would you be happy going out and bending panels on a new Defender that you just shelled $60k or more out on? If not its irrelevent to this argument, which is about the offroad capability of new vehicles.

Cheers,
Jon

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Our D3 is ten years old, its scratched, dented and knocked about more than most ten year old 4x4's. Does it have character? you bet it does and it has it in spades. It is the most enjoyable vehicle I have ever owned both on and off road and I have no intention of selling it.

In my personal opinion it ranks above a Defender because it does so well quietly behind the scenes what everyone automatically believes the Defender is king at, that being off road prowess.
Put these vehicles on the same spec and size tyres and a Disco is every bit as capable if not more, I actually believe they are more capable and that is even a early model D3 like mine that I'm talking about. LR have suppoesedly dramatically improved the Terrain Responce on several occasions since the first D3's, so I can only guess how good the new ones are now.

We have hardly taken the D4 off road since buying it over 18 months ago but that is because of work more than anything else, so can't really compare but even a MY10 is now fairly old hat compared to the later updated 2012 and then the even later 8 speed models.

The one thing I do know is late model Disco's are vehicles that the vast majority of their owners bulld a strong relationship with, so for those that think a Puma sorry Defender is the only vehicles out there with character, all I would say is, once again your knowledge of other LR products is very limited.

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You have just answered your own question now. 😆 I guess this thread can be closed. 😃 lol