Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

**TerryO** · 15th January 2016, 12:29 PM

Our D3 is ten years old, its scratched, dented and knocked about more than most ten year old 4x4's. Does it have character? you bet it does and it has it in spades. It is the most enjoyable vehicle I have ever owned both on and off road and I have no intention of selling it.

In my personal opinion it ranks above a Defender because it does so well quietly behind the scenes what everyone automatically believes the Defender is king at, that being off road prowess.
Put these vehicles on the same spec and size tyres and a Disco is every bit as capable if not more, I actually believe they are more capable and that is even a early model D3 like mine that I'm talking about. LR have suppoesedly dramatically improved the Terrain Responce on several occasions since the first D3's, so I can only guess how good the new ones are now.

We have hardly taken the D4 off road since buying it over 18 months ago but that is because of work more than anything else, so can't really compare but even a MY10 is now fairly old hat compared to the later updated 2012 and then the even later 8 speed models.

The one thing I do know is late model Disco's are vehicles that the vast majority of their owners bulld a strong relationship with, so for those that think a Puma sorry Defender is the only vehicles out there with character, all I would say is, once again your knowledge of other LR products is very limited.

**Meken** · 15th January 2016, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Would have been nice to see a D4 do this track.

I have no doubt that it could have. I just question would you want to.

Not rocky but muddy / slippery & rutted / washed out
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**manic** · 15th January 2016, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

Frantic again and again you keep bringing up stuff that relates to old pre Puma Defenders.

I'm not saying it wouldn't happen but I have never seen a $50,000 Puma with chequer plate pop riveted to its lower panels either so why compare a 20 year old Defender to a almost new Discovery when it comes to repairs?

I can just imagine the resale value of a two or three year old Puma with 300mm of chequer plate pop riveted to all its panels.

You seem to conveniently keep forgetting that its Puma's that are in part being discussed here not old Defenders. So how about you give it a rest, fair enough?

As long as its had the defender badge the body has been near enough the same. Brand new pumas get checker plate, have seen it. Panel damage repair/prevention for 'defender' wagons is same as always, puma engine makes no difference.

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**manic** · 15th January 2016, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

, so for those that think a Puma sorry Defender is the only vehicles out there with character, all I would say is, once again your knowledge of other LR products is very limited.

You love your disco. That's great. But its clear now that you set this thread up to enjoy your own view. I'm cool with that, its a forum for fanatics, I'm with you. But if you actually want listen to reason, you'll hear the truth. It is insane to truly believe the d3/d4 is better suited to offroad use than a defender.

. Never again will they build a 4x4 that can be properly abused, rebuilt and abused again and again

Terry I can see you lying under your disco, marvelling at the wish bones. You got it bad! :thumbup:

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**rick130** · 15th January 2016, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by SBD4

Terry, its always been the Defender. "Puma" refers to the engine in it.

"Puma' was the Ford engine family name, it's just a Tdci Defender in Land Rover language AFAIK.

Just for point of reference, 'Storm' was the code name given by Land Rover for the TD5 (and that's how my ex-Land Rover engineer mate used to refer to it) and believe it or not the Tdi code name was 'Gemini'.

**Marty110** · 15th January 2016, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by manic

Brand new pumas get checker plate, have seen it.

Here's mine with factory ally plate, 2010 model "Puma", took it off and fitted custom sliders after all that

Tombie · 15th January 2016, 05:20 PM

Why choose..

Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

**Toxic_Avenger** · 15th January 2016, 05:34 PM

Amen brother!

**roverrescue** · 15th January 2016, 05:34 PM

Welcome back Tombie

but seriously - put the bigger than OEM tyres as mentioned for this test on a D3,4 well then the vehicles mass and allowable GVM is probably the biggest real off road difference compared with a defender.

oh and also the fact the D3,4,5,6 are and will be ugly

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**TerryO** · 15th January 2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by manic

You love your disco. That's great. But its clear now that you set this thread up to enjoy your own view. Smug. I'm cool with that, its a forum for fanatics, I'm with you. But if you actually want listen to reason, you'll hear the truth. It is insane to truly believe the d3/d4 is better suited to offroad use than a defender.

. Never again will they build a 4x4 that can be properly abused, rebuilt and abused again and again

Terry I can see you lying under your disco, marvelling at the wish bones. You got it bad! :thumbup:

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No need to make this personal Manic. Condescending smartarse comments do little other than to raise people's blood pressure and cause escalation. Either keep it on track and leave the personal comments out of it or leave the discussion thank you.

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