Simple answer for me would be to sell the D3, buy a Defender and set it up for weekend trips away and offroading.
The D4 can be set up for outback touring, and towing the Camper or Caravan, that way you have the best of both worlds.
Simples;)
Simple answer for me would be to sell the D3, buy a Defender and set it up for weekend trips away and offroading.
The D4 can be set up for outback touring, and towing the Camper or Caravan, that way you have the best of both worlds.
Simples;)
How many Pumas do you seriously think are working vehicles in this country? I would say less than 25%, the rest are owned by hipsters simply because they look cool. That is why normal people buy modern Defenders...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1nando
The Td5 was a better workhorse engine, the Tdi was even better.
On the contrary, at least 2/3 of the Land Cruiser 70 series out there, are work vehicles. Big torquey V8 is fantastic in a work vehicle...!
The times have changed with regard to what is the best work vehicle, it is no longer 1948... Just as Jeeps are no longer used as work vehicles.
Ouch:o:( my Puma 130 works hard:twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by MR LR
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Originally Posted by MR LR
You've just proven you know absolutely nothing about diesels engines and how they fit into a working vehicle. Nothing! You must be refering to the v8 anchor in the toyota??? The one with excellent inefficiency and poor performance pound for pound.......yeah mate great motor. Thats why they use v8 diesels in 3 and 5 ton trucks cause their the bees knees.....whoops forgot they are all 4 cylinder deisel turbo in tipper trucks. Go have another latte and do some reading....when you understand the principles of a working vehicle pm me and ill let you test drive one of our trucks. You'll get it then ;)
For those that think here we go again...try to get it a defender was created since its launch in 1948 as a working vehicle, it is designed to chug along all day every day just like trucks are. Thats why these vehicles have such a great life span. This is fundamental to 4wding because 4wding is tough on a vehicle.
Your toyota coment is more thank likely true, however the puma is a working vehcile whether its used as one is up to the owner! Your d4 makes more power and torque than all our Hino and Isuzu tippers.......Isuzu should have used the d4 as their truck platform?
As for capabilty, it comes from whether or not something is fit for purpose. The puma like any vehicle has its flaws, just like the d4. I would bet that if you were to take a puma and a d4 from the showroom and drive them striaght into a 5 day 4wd weekend trip that the d4 would come back wounded more so than the defender. The defender is designed for it, its why its been used by miliatrys around the world etc. The principles of it being a tough solid unit stem from its working vehicle design principles.....
It took me about 8 posts to get that out the way i wanted too...:rolleyes:
This thread is great. I am restraining myself...feels liberating. :)
Cheers
That 25% figure smells of arse. Worthless rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR LR
One minute they are all high sock, sandle wearing Normans and the next they are 75% trend setting hipsters.
Defenders look cool? What do discos look like?
Ooo im about to sound out some statistics from my own ass trumpet.
5% of discovery drivers use them offroad.
70% of disco drivers were not allowed to get a defender because of wife/kids.
100% of kids in a disco want to have a dad with a defender.
15% of disco drivers cant tie up their shoe laces and think laces are redundant because Velcro is a newer technology.
Lol....lol....i love it. Well done sir...i reckon those stats are pretty spot on.....Quote:
Originally Posted by manic
That was a good laugh :thumbup::p
I wear thongs......Quote:
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I guess we have very different definitions of a working vehicle...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1nando
My background is in farming, there's a reason we pick big diesels over little ones.
I bet my stat's are not far off the money at all... But what would I know about Land Rover owner demographic :p
What is a Latte?
Define big diesel??? A 550hp kenworth 409 (working vehicle) is only 6 cyclinder diesel turbo....not v12 twin turbo 1 million hp motor (2015 modle).. truck and dog with 38 ton pay laod. Whats impressive is the torque, down low where its needed to pull the weight.
For a farmer who makes his living of the land or live stock he needs maximum efficiency for maximum return. A big, sluggish boat anchor is not in their best interest. The puma has a "down tuned" 360nm of torque at 2000rpm, its perfect for a working vehicle. Returns maximum torque with best fuel economy at the lowest possible rev range for that engine. Its designed to chug along for a long long time. Thats why transits clock up more than a million kms!
Its a light engine keeping vehicle weight down. Important for 4wding
Its power is spread over a wide torque curve making it easier to drive over ruff stuff without potentially breaking something, this is a key concept in a working vehicle because it has to be as mechanically solid as possible to much power in the wrong areas compromises this rule. Id love to have a 1000hp truck and dog but the reality is it would break all the time when being pushed hard daily.