Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

It's not a flaw. It's a design feature.

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Theres a great clip on youtube of a cruiser floating and loosing control, fortunately for the driver he gets lucky and makes it to the other side.....its actually amazing because he stays on the gas pedal the whole time

He was probably lucky he stayed on the gas. Stops water entering the ex pipe...plus gives a bit of forward motion

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Originally Posted by dullbird

You know all this talk about dry toes on a river crossing. When we were at the cape we were there in a defender 110 and phil was there in the D4 the cars were very well matched even though we were towing considerably more weight. We did have to winch the D4 out but that was due to circumstance.

I will say though I'm glad our toes got wet.

You might ask why

Because when we both entered a over bonnet depth creek, the D4 went in and the thing was so bloody well sealed that it began to float!!

Now I'm sorry but i would prefer my car not to float and loose traction [emoji4]
He did get across ok but the vehicle did take a change of angle for the few seconds it floated which could have been a little hairy if there was any sort of flow to this water which there wasn't. (Obviously wouldn't have crossed it if it was)

But just pointing out sometimes flaws work in your favour :)

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Did Phil lift the D4 into extended off road height before attempting the crossing??? It would have helped.
Andrew

Can anybody tell me what happens when you let go of the steering wheel at 100kmh on a dirt road in a defender and reef on the handbrake???
Andrew

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

It's not a flaw. It's a design feature.

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So that's what the oars that came with the car are for. :p

Martin

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Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Can anybody tell me what happens when you let go of the steering wheel at 100kmh on a dirt road in a defender and reef on the handbrake???
Andrew

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Ladies and Gentlemen... the management wishes to advise you don't try this at home :eek: :eek::angel:


Yes Andy.... in the Disco it's doable and quite amazing.....

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Originally Posted by tact

My view is that the gun you cannot fire, the bomb you cannot drop, is of no use at all.

My own personal take is that if I were the proud owner of a new D4 I would not be able to bring MYSELF to take it off-road and expose it to damage as little as pinstriping from undergrowth. So to me it is not even an option as an off-roader. (...and yes, if a diamond studded special edition anniversary/end of line Defender cost as much as a D4, I'd not take that bludger off-road either.)

A bog standard new TDCi Defender though is (was) significantly less expensive. The TDCi DCPU is much closer in price to things like dual cab hilux's et al.

That vehicle (the TDCi DCPU) is a vehicle I have no qualms driving from showroom into Malaysian jungles and pinstriping it grandly. My first real off-road outing in my TDCi DCPU saw boulders demolish all 4 folding side steps leaving barely discernible crimps in the lowest body side skirt panels.

Fix? Remove the side steps and junk them when I got home. Had I been driving a shiny new D4 we'd have camped up at the first sign of possible body damage and missed the rest of the trip

That's just me. It doesn't say the D4 wouldn't have made the trip (and the many more thereafter).

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You obviously get paid too much money!


What is the point of a nice paint job and accessories, if you are so willing to allow it to get trashed? Sure a standard Deefer is cheaper than a D4 ..... but it's still a lot of money compared to the average income. I grew up in Glasgow, Scotland .... shipbuilders ..... I'd have been punched to the floor if I ever voiced that disregard for equipment.


I'm pretty certain there are lost of Australians that dislike that disregard too ...

Yes Andy he had the extended rods in and traveled the car in extended height

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Originally Posted by dullbird

Yes Andy he had the extended rods in and traveled the car in extended height

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Extended rods in a Deefer?

No D4?