Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

Um 3500 kg 110 Defender was a factory option, still kicking myself for not ordering it.

Originally Posted by AndyG

discotastique

Maybe you can explain the other thread re D4 breaking CV's when reversing in sand

Easy: reversing with full steering lock is a weakness for any CV

Everyones heard that before. Not many have heard of traction control blowing up a diff!

Cheers

Dan

Ps. Love the french twist on my name

Originally Posted by AndyG

Um 3500 kg 110 Defender was a factory option, still kicking myself for not ordering it.

It may be able to tow 3500kg, but not fully loaded, only with a driver and full tank of fuel, soon as you start adding any more weight, it takes away your towing capacity, the D4 is different, you can still add weight, without lowering your towing capacity.

Also guys make sure you click "here" on that link i posted. It tested every single LR vehicle and guess which one ended up 1st. The reasons are explained and the problem most of you d4 guys have is understanding what is required "off road". Great read.

The d4 is superior to the defender in everything except offroad capability and "bushability", its better at everything else becuase its designed as the middle ground between the range rover and the defender. The defender is designed as LRs "toughest" vehicle for a reason.

Originally Posted by 1nando

Also guys make sure you click "here" on that link i posted. It tested every single LR vehicle and guess which one ended up 1st. The reasons are explained and the problem most of you d4 guys have is understanding what is required "off road". Great read.

The d4 is superior to the defender in everything except offroad capability and "bushability", its better at everything else becuase its designed as the middle ground between the range rover and the defender. The defender is designed as LRs "toughest" vehicle for a reason.

Its funny you mention that link. At the end of that pdf there is a little box with "the ultimate" as a heading. In there he says that his ultimate off road car would be a RRS with the SCV8 with 32" tyres on 17" rims and slightly lifted suspension. So power, tyres and lift. The first two are easily rectified anyway. The last you can get airbag spacers.

Id still like to see a drive day with d4 vs defender on stock trim!

Cheers

Dan

After having a read of this thread, I was wondering if waving protocol between family of the same genus but not the same species has now been amended....

Originally Posted by 1nando

Also guys make sure you click "here" on that link i posted. It tested every single LR vehicle and guess which one ended up 1st. The reasons are explained and the problem most of you d4 guys have is understanding what is required "off road". Great read.

The d4 is superior to the defender in everything except offroad capability and "bushability", its better at everything else becuase its designed as the middle ground between the range rover and the defender. The defender is designed as LRs "toughest" vehicle for a reason.

Seeing you have troubles with electronics and jump starting you need to learn how to push start trucks with LRs "toughest" vehicle
Andrew

Maybe a few of you guys missed this earlier post??

And this is written by someone who is very well qualified in this subject,not just an armchair warrior

Originally Posted by gghaggis

The T5 Disco 3 / 4 and RRS have the strongest chassis LR have ever built. The strongest CV joints. And the strongest axles. People often confuse "ruggedness" with "reliability", and "reliability" with "enough knowledge to repair".

From new, I took my D3 through tracks far worse than any shown here (LandAndy can attest to that). Pinstriping was never a hindrance. Neither the occasional dent. As I used to say - if I wasn't going to use it, I'd buy a Jaguar. Same went for the L320 Sport - which won the W4 Challenge 2014 and was runner-up 2015 (to a Range Rover) ahead of a plethora of modified Deefers. Same goes for our D4, and now our L494 Sport.

If you're willing to use it the way it was meant, a D4 will run rings around a Defender off-road. "Are you willing" is really the issue. And if you're of the opinion a Defender is better in sand, then you're either not preparing correctly, or your approach to off-road driving needs to be modified (this would be a great time to plug my 2-day sand course for Terrain Response vehicles, but I'll show restraint and put it in a more appropriate thread).

A 110 Defender is cheaper, easier for the traditional mechanic to repair, and easier to load up and clean out. But it's not a better off-roader.

Cheers

Gordon

So Terry,thats your answer.


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