Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

Originally Posted by frantic

Therefore using your logic a grand Cherokee is better off-road than a wrangler rubicon , correct?

That's not my logic your trying to quote, I think the Grand Cherokee is quite a capable vehicle off-road but not in the Rubicon league.

Originally Posted by frantic

http://www.l2sfbc.com/sites/pacfar.d...stOffroad2.pdf


Defender No.1, I give the final say to the professionals!

Hmm I thought I posted that way back on page 3 billion!?

Interesting thread. The original topic was between a D3/4 and a late model defender, then there were other brands thrown into the mix.
If we are talking the best off road vehicle straight off the showroom floor with no modifications, then the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon wins hands down. Double diff locks standard, live axles as well as electronic sway bar disconnect.


Then again I am a bit bias as I have one.


Cheers, Craig

Originally Posted by manic

Hmm I thought I posted that way back on page 3 billion!?

You did, but I also posted it one or two thousand pages before yours. ...

No matter it's a good read, not sure I agree that a modded Supercharged V8 Range Rover Sport would be the best off roader compared to either a Defender or D3/4.
Jimmy Salsa who has a reasonably modded RRS has found the limitations when it comes to fitting larger tyres and the Rangie struggles because of its wheel arches being much closer to the hub than the D3/4. Having both a 5 litre V8 D4 and a diesel D3 in my opinion the diesel is nicer and easier to drive when off road. Not sure bolting on a supercharger to the V8 would make it any more user friendly.

Massive torque from then Supercharger i would think would make it very user friendly.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

Massive torque from then Supercharger i would think would make it very user friendly.

Cheers

Yup a supercharger or blower is on song from the time the engine starts and gives far more torque lower in the rev range compared to a turbo that requires the exhaust gas to turn it to boost the oxy and power. The issue with an off-roader is if you get **** near the belts that drive the blower it could cause big problems .Whereas hairdryers are not belt driven and importantly give a lower cog. But for the fastest tourqiest response a blown v8 petrol is ideal.

Originally Posted by frantic

Yup a supercharger or blower is on song from the time the engine starts and gives far more torque lower in the rev range compared to a turbo that requires the exhaust gas to turn it to boost the oxy and power. The issue with an off-roader is if you get **** near the belts that drive the blower it could cause big problems .Whereas hairdryers are not belt driven and importantly give a lower cog. But for the fastest tourqiest response a blown v8 petrol is ideal.

Then there is the turbo setup in our 3.0 D4s.There is no lag at all
Andrew

A 3 litre diesel D4 has 600nm of torque standard and much of that is very low in the rev range, if that is not enough for crawling up rocky / muddy hills etc in low range then I'm not sure how much is.

I prefer the V8 for road use, for serious off road usage a decent diesel is a better thing in my opinion.