Reply With Quote350kg on the ball - 3500kg on the back..
But... the less you pull along the better it is so try and keep it sane!!!
RoverLord
I realise its all been done before,time again.
I'm off to the caravan show next week to narrow down my wants,wont be buying just yet.
What are all the proper numbers for the D4???
GVM,GCM,TARE,Towbar limitetc etc etc.
Next question,its well known caravan builders lie about their weights.It seems once you fill the water tanks/dirty water tanks the van is just about at its limits.Many vans only advertise around 400kg between tare and gross.
Some manufacturers say thay can increase the van GCM,so I guess this means buying a 2700kg limit van and upgrading to 3500kg suspension to get some sort of carrying cabability.
Only using that as an example,need to get everything clear in my empty head before listening to a salesman.The van I liked most last year was in the 3000kg area so some room for the vans GVM to be increased.
I fully realise that any touring D4 is already close to its GVM when travelling.I don't ubderstand the point made in the past that the trailer hitch weight is worked out differently due to the air suspension.An understanding of this would really help.
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Andrew
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350kg on the ball - 3500kg on the back..
But... the less you pull along the better it is so try and keep it sane!!!
The MOD Father
After lots of shows,, I wouldnt say what you're towing with,,
it WILL NOT make any difference to the van,, it WILL to most SALESMEN,,
you know more about your D4 than he ever will,,,
and in the end,, anything you buy from the show,, all the weights are already set,,
ask to borrow one to tow over the scales,, see what response you get,,
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RoverLord
I was looking at that van I linked in the caravan area Pedro.There were an older couple also looking at it,they loved it.The salesman asked what their tow vehicle was,they had a playdoh,he told them they needed a Landcruiser.I asked about a D4,he sain no issues.Told the pair they were welcome to have a drive of my D4
Andrew
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RoverLord
I was aware of those numbers Mike,just wanting confirmation thanks.Originally Posted by Tombie
NOW,the D4 GCM.Im sure its you who has offered lots of advice,if the van has 350kg its 350kg off the D4s weight??? Same goes for 200 or 250kg.
I did see a van with 100kg towbar weight,to me that would be a nightmare to tow,correct????I realise strategic loading would change this,obviously aimed at lesser tow tugs.
Trying to get it all thru my THICK empty head!!!!
Andrew
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Nope. The D4 can do a full three fittyit's one of the few that can...
Ball weight like ATM is subject to manufacturer.. almost all of them are incorrect and there was a survey / test done - most came in at 6%.
Once laden this can radically change - easily to well over or under..
If you want somethjng seriously offroad - I will tag you in one a good mate is selling.
RoverLord
You can link if you want Mike.
I'm not after a full blown off-road machine.
I do want a "rough road" van that can handle badly corrugated roads I haven't gradedplus easy/medium tracks.
Andrew
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The MOD Father
maybe we should have a "350kg object" just so people actually have some idea what 350kg is,,
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'93 V8 Rossi
'97 to '07. sold.
'01 V8 D2
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'03 4.6 V8 HSE D2a with Tornado ECM
'10 to '21
'16.5 RRS SDV8
'21 to Infinity and Beyond!
1988 Isuzu Bus. V10 15L NA Diesel
Home is where you park it..
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Master
SubscriberTowbar limit is a 350kg ball weight.
maximum trailer weight is 3500kg
GCM is the total combined mass of the car and the trailer. The D4 has the second highest GCM rating of normal production vehicles (excluding big USA pickups and trucks) and is just below the Landcruiser. I think its 6500kg (it is in the manual) It is this number that gets the dual cab utes in trouble as they are typically around 5,800kg.
TARE is the empty weight of the vehicle (caravan for example)
GVM is the maximum weight of the vehicle when loaded to capacity. this cant exceed 3500 for the D4
Payload is the difference between GVM and Tare. This includes water gas etc. so if you have 300 litres of water in your van then that is 300kg of your payload gone. A van should have at least 500kg of payload in my opinion and depending on water tank capacity.
The other limits to know is the axle loads of the D4. The D4 rear axle max load is 1824kg if i recall correctly (this is in the manual). It is very easy to exceed this when a close to 350kg van is attached. Basically the rear of the car can only contain a few heavy items.
Hope this helps.
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