Thread: D3 or Jap 4x4

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

At least 500,000kms from I have seen for sale on gumtree...

Yeah I saw that one. 8k with a rebuilt trans but 500k on the clock.

It does make you wonder about car values though. I have a D1 with half those Km's that I could probably sell for a similar amount, given the condition it is in. I wonder what would constitute the better deal in the long run, capabilities vs $$ repair/maintaining-wise? If anything happens to my current ride I will have to make that decision. Personally, I am leaning towards a well looked after D3/4 or an early L322 diesel. Cannot see myself buying an Asian brand!

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

It does make you wonder about car values though. I have a D1 with half those Km's that I could probably sell for a similar amount, given the condition it is in. I wonder what would constitute the better deal in the long run, capabilities vs $$ repair/maintaining-wise? If anything happens to my current ride I will have to make that decision. Personally, I am leaning towards a well looked after D3/4 or an early L322 diesel. Cannot see myself buying an Asian brand!

Having just made the jump from d1 to d3, i also considered a Pajero but couldn't do it. I was lucky and found a low k 1 owner 08 tdv6 se d3 for not much more than a late d2a.

are you getting a loan to buy? if so you are better off looking at 2011 or newer to get much better interest rates

have you ridden in a pootrol if you do you probably wont want it as they are rough as guts to ride in.

the 3L in the pootrols its self is not bad but the vvt turbo is a pos they jam up then over boost and kill the engine, if you put a std wastegate turbo off a d22 3L navara they have no more issues then any other common rail diesel.

but yeah i am basically looking at the same thing and for anything older then 2011 i am only thinking a d2a td5 but i also all ready have one so it just means easy to keep spares and service stuff for since i do it all my self

if you go a tdv6 they need the cambelt done at 150'000km so high km could be better as its all ready been done

also are you going to be mostly touring or doing hard tracks ?

here is my 2011 or later list of 4x4 you should be able to get these for around 30k with under a 150'000km
pajero = misses hates them so nope for me
fj cruiser (its pardo underneth and simerlar size to a d2)
pardo
d4 2.7 (so at least i can fit 17in wheels)

btw dont go near a early l322 td6 with the 5 speed its a very weak box with the converter lockup burning out from the valve body wearing and bleeding pressure of the lock up clutch that then fries the trans (stupid bloody crap gm rubbish gearbox thats not even rated for the torque of the engine they put in front of it)

Originally Posted by lyonsy

are you getting a loan to buy? if so you are better off looking at 2011 or newer to get much better interest rates

have you ridden in a pootrol if you do you probably wont want it as they are rough as guts to ride in.

the 3L in the pootrols its self is not bad but the vvt turbo is a pos they jam up then over boost and kill the engine, if you put a std wastegate turbo off a d22 3L navara they have no more issues then any other common rail diesel.

but yeah i am basically looking at the same thing and for anything older then 2011 i am only thinking a d2a td5 but i also all ready have one so it just means easy to keep spares and service stuff for since i do it all my self

if you go a tdv6 they need the cambelt done at 150'000km so high km could be better as its all ready been done

also are you going to be mostly touring or doing hard tracks ?

here is my 2011 or later list of 4x4 you should be able to get these for around 30k with under a 150'000km
pajero = misses hates them so nope for me
fj cruiser (its pardo underneth and simerlar size to a d2)
pardo
d4 2.7 (so at least i can fit 17in wheels)

btw dont go near a early l322 td6 with the 5 speed its a very weak box with the converter lockup burning out from the valve body wearing and bleeding pressure of the lock up clutch that then fries the trans (stupid bloody crap gm rubbish gearbox thats not even rated for the torque of the engine they put in front of it)

Double edged sword - yes they have been done, but the common failure on the timing belt is because the older style oil pump housing wasn't beefed up enough in the corner where the bolt for the tensioner screws into. Several have been caught where the belts were done and down the track they have a seized engine because the oil pump wasn't changed and the housing failing causing the tensioner to snap off, so buying a car where the belts were done may see you needing to at the very least remove the timing belt cover to check if the pump was changed or if you are lucky enough to have the beefed up housing. A bit like the oil pump bolt in the TD5 - best not to be left to chance.

Cheers Ean

Well folks

I had a drive in the V6 petrol and I have to say I am well impressed. The car drove superb with no issues to report. Previous owner was a doctor and looks as though it has never seen a track.
Now the had part is convincing the wife that this the 4x4 for us.

I will keep you posted when/if we go ahead with the purchase.

Well after having a 4.8 Pootrol hammered out the vales as the previous owner never got checked ($4 k) , having 4 teenage kids 2 sitting with knees under their chin , it drank better than the teenages 20 lt/100 , yup it went like the clappers , towed at 100 kph drank then at 24-26 lt/100 .
We got the 2008 disco with all the fruit and love it , the TDV6 get 8-12 lt/100 tows great , all the kids fit (now bigger ) no complaints on who is in the back .
better lights , ride , safety ... Why did we get one earlier ........

I had a 3ltr Prado a few years back. Reliable and not bad at all to ride in and went every where we wanted it to go but it certainly liked to drink the juice towing or not.
Had the worse cruise control/gearbox function ever and used to change down at the slightest slope. When it dropped down a gear all we got was more noise.....
Changed that for a 110 Puma Defender and what a difference. OK a smaller engine but with the 6 speed box it made all the difference to cruising and towing and climbing hills. Consumption dropped dramatically as well.
You could feel the power when dropping down a gear.
Now we have a D4 and the difference is just so so so marvellous, quiet and wonderful with leather seats and a sound system you can really hear and...... pity the Cook would rather have the Defender. :-((
Go with a good D3 and I'm sure you'll love it.
AlanH.