EPB. Why?

Hmm,, guilty as charged on placing it in P before applying EPB sometimes [bigwhistle] and yes, I should definitely know better.

We used to test trans "P" at work,, various special incline pads, and my fav,, driving at 40-60k and applying the P in the trans [biggrin] Its a great sound, but, the car will pull up as the speed gets slower, the pawl gets a chance to bite into the gear. Not something to ever try at home folks,, unless you can afford to have your trans rebuilt.
In my D1, parked up at work, a bloke decided to pull my car out with his winch,, broke the pawl :bat: Its actually not hard to do.

I think the EPB is a great feature, but yes, like everything else,, needs to be serviced. Its part of any mechanical device ownership.

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Originally Posted by Ferret

I'll pass on your message to the dealer who serviced mine just weeks before it jammed on. As someone said, just because you ask for it to be done & it's listed on the service printout as done in reality means didly squart.

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Are you saying that the dealer didn't do it, even though they said they did? If so, then that's a fault with the dealer, not the car. Same as if they said they changed the engine oil but didn't and the motor blew up. There are plenty of stories of terrible service practices...

I have heard of the modules crapping themselves with no help and needing replacement, though its rare. In most cases that I've heard of the issue is lack of maintenance.

Best part is if you don’t destroy the module you can rebuild it for $80....

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Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

Are you saying that the dealer didn't do it, even though they said they did? If so, then that's a fault with the dealer, not the car. Same as if they said they changed the engine oil but didn't and the motor blew up. There are plenty of stories of terrible service practices...

I have heard of the modules crapping themselves with no help and needing replacement, though its rare. In most cases that I've heard of the issue is lack of maintenance.

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Yes your right, it is lack of maintenance. Some people choose to do that maintenance themselves others chose to pay and rely on others to do it. it's disappointing when it said to be done but appears not to have been done.

I'm not trying to say there is a fault with the car as a whole. Though I am saying the design of the EPB module itself could be better.

There is already a proximity sensor within the unit to sense when the travelling mechanism has returned it's 'home' position. It needs another to tell it when it is nearing the extent of its allowable travel so it does not jam.

And yes, Tombie is right. You can rebuild it.

The internal gear mechanism can be bought as a kit from an after market mob and the 2 brake cables on the EPB unit can be bought as genuine parts from landrover in cases where they have needed to be cut away in order to get mobile after the unit has jammed.

My dealer cut the brake cable. No problem if that's what you need to do. But they then told me

a) once the release mechanism has been pulled it brakes a part within the unit which can't be fixed.
b) spare parts for the unit (ie brake cables etc which need to be cut and the release mechanism) can not be bought so the entire unit must be replaced at ~$1500 + labour.

After retrieving the old unit from the dealer and pulling the thing apart in order to understand how it works why it failed I find there is really nothing wrong with it other than it has over travelled, jammed and now has one unserviceable brake cable. A bit of fiddling on my part un-jammed it. I could have bought a replacement brake cable. The bit about the release cable braking something inside the EPB when pulled is just crap.

My dealer and I have now parted ways. Not over the EPB incident, over many incidents of poor service over many years.

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Originally Posted by Ferret

Yes your right, it is lack of maintenance. Some people choose to do that maintenance themselves others chose to pay and rely on others to do it. it's disappointing when it said to be done but appears not to have been done.

I'm not trying to say there is a fault with the car as a whole. Though I am saying the design of the EPB module itself could be better.

There is already a proximity sensor within the unit to sense when the travelling mechanism has returned it's 'home' position. It needs another to tell it when it is nearing the extent of its allowable travel so it does not jam.

And yes, Tombie is right. You can rebuild it.

The internal gear mechanism can be bought as a kit from an after market mob and the 2 brake cables on the EPB unit can be bought as genuine parts from landrover in cases where they have needed to be cut away in order to get mobile after the unit has jammed.

My dealer cut the brake cable. No problem if that's what you need to do. But they then told me

a) once the release mechanism has been pulled it brakes a part within the unit which can't be fixed.
b) spare parts for the unit (ie brake cables etc which need to be cut and the release mechanism) can not be bought so the entire unit must be replaced at ~$1500 + labour.

After retrieving the old unit from the dealer and pulling the thing apart in order to understand how it works why it failed I find there is really nothing wrong with it other than it has over travelled, jammed and now has one unserviceable brake cable. A bit of fiddling on my part un-jammed it. I could have bought a replacement brake cable. The bit about the release cable braking something inside the EPB when pulled is just crap.

My dealer and I have now parted ways. Not over the EPB incident, over many incidents of poor service over many years.

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Yeah I'd be ****ed with that kind of "service" and "knowledge". Hope the next mech that works on your car is much better!

Shocking that they don’t hold the standard.
Happy owners keep buying.

Poor workmanship ****s me to tears. I have no issues paying for premium service but I expect premium service!

Thankfully the EPB has gone through some upgrades on new vehicles. [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by Eevo

im new to EPB and have to admit i dont trust it 100%

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You will have to start getting used to them cos they are on just about every new vehicle,but designs obviously do change between makes.
The later crop of LR's are also completely different from the D3/4.

One thing though,if i am on a hill and have the van on,and apply the EPB,a message comes up on the dash.
Cant remember what it says but i think the EPB is put on with more pressure when towing.

Anyone else noticed this?

I don't do any towing so haven't noticed the EPB tensioning harder in that situation, but I do think it winds up harder when in Low Range, and I've actually used this to fix little faults with it not releasing properly, as the cable slackens with use I think. Also when the unit is getting near the end of it's life it seems to start squealing when engaging in Low Range before it does so in High range, so that can be a tell tale sign it needs adjustment/replacement.

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Originally Posted by cjc_td5

A conventional hand brake takes up a lot of real estate on the console and is very hard to configure for RHD and LHD layouts. A switch solves both of these issues.

The emergency stop function is also a good party trick. Try it with one wheel off on the gravel shoulder. It will pull up nice and straight even with the vastly different braking capacity side to side.

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Originally Posted by Milton477

Safety. The passenger can apply it at any speed, it cuts the throttle & brings the vehicle to a stop using the brakes. Keep your nose away from the windscreen when you try it.

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As this is function uses the Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and not the handbrake, except for the last little bit when the car comes to a stop, it could have been a separate button next to the hazard light switch say, so the car could've had a conventional handbrake.