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    Discovery 4 stopped. Any opinions on reason please?

    I have a 2016 Discovery 4 SDV6 with approx 74K kms, which has been to LR for all the standard services, plus an extra engine oil and filter change by LR between services. Other than an electrical problem as a result of a botched electric brake controller install by LR, it has been trouble free. It's last scheduled service was about 2 weeks ago at a LR dealer, and it has done less than 500 kms since that service. The gearbox, transfer case and diff oils were changed about 14k kms ago by a LR independent.
    It mainly does service as a tow vehicle hauling a 2.8ish tonne (loaded) car trailer between Sydney and Goulburn or Melbourne.
    Yesterday I was headed up the hill at Kurrajong Heights, towing the trailer empty so approx 1.5 tonnes, and as a reached the top felt a shudder. As I had a problem earlier in the day with one of the trailer brakes locking on I initially thought it was a recurrence of that, but after about 20 seconds the forward drive of the car reduced and I realised it was not the trailer. I pulled over and as I stopped heard a loud metallic grinding noise. I immediately stopped the engine. There was a strong smell of engine oil or transmission fluid. Not sure which.
    I used a torch and checked in the engine bay and underneath, but could see no obvious signs of fluid leaks or anything else wayward. The in-car diagnostics showed the oil level at maximum, ie normal. After about 15 minutes I tried restarting the engine. It started straight away but immediately had the grinding noise again, so I again stopped the engine.
    NRMA was called and the patrolman after hearing my story did not want me to try starting the engine again. He removed the oil filler cap and noted it was very dry inside, without any sign of oil, and it had a burnt smell.
    The car went on a tilt-tray truck and along with the trailer was delivered to my home. The car is scheduled to be taken to a LR dealer tomorrow.
    As it is still (just) under the original 3 year warranty, I am expecting it will be fixed by LR. But I want to have as much information as possible before starting any discussions with them.
    My guess is that the oil pump has failed. Any thoughts please?

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    My thoughts it could be a snapped crank.

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    Did it sound like this Google Photos

    This D4 had an oil change 200-500 miles before the crank snapped. MY12 engine had done 123,000 miles and very well maintained. Used as a pilot vehicle in Europe.
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    Kelvo, No it didn't sound like that. More of a constant, grinding and screeching sound.
    Given the publicity around the issue, a broken crank was the first though I had but:
    - I was able to restart the engine,
    - There was no external evidence. My experience with race cars :-( is that a catastrophic bottom end failure usually results in a ventilated block or sump. The Disco was parked in a shed on a concrete floor last night, and there was no evidence of any fluid on the floor, and
    - I forgot to mention this, but I have an IID tool and after I had stopped, before I restarted the engine I checked for error codes. There were none.
    Also, my reading suggests the broken crank was more common with 2.7s and TDV6 3.0s.
    Thanks for your feedback.

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    There doesn't have to be any external evidence of the crank snapping unless it has decided to leave the block, unlikely to be the oil pump as the failure is confined to the 2.7 unless it is an unrelated pump issue.
    Cam chains that drive the 2nd cam have been known to fail, this is more likely as the engine isn't totally stuffed if they go.
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    Interesting discussion on Disco3 of improperly installed oil filters on the 2.7D leading to cooked (oil starved) engines.

    Changes were done by inexperienced independents who did not locate the filter properly before screwing on the cap. Filter gets crushed.

    Trick for the inexperienced.

    I think the filter fit is different on the 3.0D but worth checking especially if recently after a service.

    In most situations the failure would be put down to just another blown engine and not the improperly fitted filter.

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    The 3.0 filter and housing were changed to not use a locating spigot and therefore avoid misfitted filters.
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    The LR dealer has reported the failure as a spun crank bearing, and a new engine less peripherals is being supplied and fitted under warranty. Here's hoping that no debris has got past the oil filter to the turbo bearings.
    I was aware of the history of bearing issues and resulting crank failures with this family of engines, but had believed it was mainly a problem with the TDV6 version, and much less so with the SDV6 variant.
    We should have the car back in just over a week, and I look forward to getting back on the road.

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    Fortunate outcome.

    You would think the 3.0D had an entirely new re-engineered bottom end but I suspect not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco4Dave View Post
    .... believed it was mainly a problem with the TDV6 version, and much less so with the SDV6 variant.....
    I don't believe there's any mechanical difference between TDV6 and SDV6 in the late model 3.0L variants, just a different tune.

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