Thread: D4 Battery Replacement

Originally Posted by LRD414

Tombie, I thought you had a Varta?

Cheers,
Scott

Bosch to replace a faulty Odyssey, and SSB AGMs for the 2 Aux.

Mrs Tombie has 2xD34M in the 90

The camper has a couple of Fusion units.


The D2 had a Varta.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Bosch AGM... about $470 and will last 5+ years without a problem.

Lower end gear will last 2-3 years on average.

I rang Costco as they used to sell Bosch. No longer. I even looked up Bosch's website and couldn't find a retailer. They have a large operation in Melbourne, and should still be large automotive suppliers (although the car industry has now gone) except for the truck industry and who makes trailers and some who convert US light trucks / Utes.

Where should I look to get Bosch in Melbourne?

Oh and my camper has two new Fullriver 120 AH AGMs and I am very happy with them. I even considered chrystal lead acid batteries, and Lithium for the van but its electronics were not comparable with Lithium.

China can make good batteries as the Fullrivers show. But knowing if a battery from China or Korea is good, well, its not so easy.

My D4 MY2013 is in need of a new cranking battery. Last November at the 176k service the LR agent told me the battery failed their test and did I want it replaced? Having some Scottish ancestry, I said no, I'll wait. Well the cranking over winter has been getting slower and I assume being boosted by the Traxide DBS. So, I have what I assume is the original battery or an OEM replacement. It is an Exide (made in Italy) CPLA-10655-CA 12V 90Ah 850A(EN) AGM/VLRA/MF with the Jaguar and Land Rover logos on it.
Exide is sold by Beaurepaire and their website says that the battery for my LR SDV6 HSE is XDIN88MF or DIN88MF or EN70ZZMF. The XDIN88MF is advertised at $249. My only issue is that the web site photo does not look like my battery. My local Beaurepaire shop is only a short walk away, so I went and looked at the lesser DIN88MF ($190) and its size and configuration matched my memory of the one under the bonnet. They have promised to get one in for me next week. So problem solved. Meanwhile, my solar charger is doing its best to get the battery back up to usable status.

Well I bought the XDIN88MF from Beaurepaires today and checked in the store that it was the same shape and size as the original. When I got it home I read all the labels and notice that it is not an AGM but a lead/acid battery - liquid filled! The only other sign of acid was a small viewing window, i.e. no removable plugs or anything as old hat as that... There is also a caution in the fine print that the warranty is void if used in a stop/start vehicle. My D4 is not the latest, so that is not an issue, but I wonder about the ramifications of an acid battery vs an AGM in the D4 if it is designed to run on an AGM battery. I'm also wondering if the battery monitoring system has to be changed or reset to deal with the new battery. Some other posts suggest that the BMS has to be reset. I don't have the tool to do that. Should I get a dealer or independent to do that?

Originally Posted by StewG

Well I bought the XDIN88MF from Beaurepaires today and checked in the store that it was the same shape and size as the original. When I got it home I read all the labels and notice that it is not an AGM but a lead/acid battery - liquid filled! The only other sign of acid was a small viewing window, i.e. no removable plugs or anything as old hat as that... There is also a caution in the fine print that the warranty is void if used in a stop/start vehicle. My D4 is not the latest, so that is not an issue, but I wonder about the ramifications of an acid battery vs an AGM in the D4 if it is designed to run on an AGM battery. I'm also wondering if the battery monitoring system has to be changed or reset to deal with the new battery. Some other posts suggest that the BMS has to be reset. I don't have the tool to do that. Should I get a dealer or independent to do that?

That model vehicle has the BMS,and it is designed for an AGM battery,i wouldn't use anything else.

Whether you can change a setting for the different type of battery,with a GAP tool, i don't know.

But using a new AGM battery,yes, the BMS has to be reset.

Originally Posted by kelvo

When mine needs replacement I’ll probably go with a Super Start SS88Ti SS88Ti High Performance AGM Stop Start Battery more expensive than the Supercharge battery, but it comes with a 42 month warranty, is AGM, and has higher CCA and reserve capacity.

+ 1 for the SS88Ti, got one 12 mths ago, not a worry, that battery, a traxide unit and yellow top runs two fridges in the car, the 60Lit set as a freezer no problems.

Peter

"That model vehicle has the BMS,and it is designed for an AGM battery,i wouldn't use anything else.

Whether you can change a setting for the different type of battery,with a GAP tool, i don't know.

But using a new AGM battery,yes, the BMS has to be reset."

My D4 is due for a service soon so I'll get the BMS checked then. Fitting the battery was easy enough, but the XDIN88MF new one was slightly (about 20 mm) lower that the original battery and I had to fit tubed spacers above the holding bracket so that the bolts would tighten down properly. In every other respect, the new battery looked the same as the old one. The battery was disconnected for about an hour (while I made spacers and got interruptions) so when everything was reconnected and working ok, I noticed that the windows still auto open but, no longer auto close when the up button is pushed. The up button must be held to close the windows. It must be a setting that went back to default. I haven't noticed any other detrimental effects. However, the engine starts quicker and the DBS holds up much better; as one would expect with a new battery.
I contemplated returning the battery when I discovered that it was a wet cell rather than AGM, but it has a 3 year warranty (42 months if you agree to be spammed) so that should be ok for the price - I'll take the risk. I recall doing a half lap around oz fifty years ago with a much smaller wet cell battery in a Holden and that survived ok - the roads were worse then than they are these days.

It’s the energy delivery and charge characteristics that will see you undone keeping that battery.

It’s possibly going to charge higher and boil off the acid.
It will also struggle to charge as quick (it won’t charge as quick).

Do you really want the risk? That battery also obviously being smaller has a lower energy capacity.

You’ve done no favours.