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    Breakdown - P0191 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor

    Travelling just cruising and suddenly no power, car came to a complete stop, D4 2011 Tdv6 got towed out got car home, hooked up the icarsoft reader to find error code PO191 = fuel rail pressure sensor range/performance. Assume this maybe the low or high pressure fuel pumps from my readings, now have to wait till after new year when mechanics are all back to work. bummer.

    two dash lights are always on, i can manipulate the vehicle to crank over but that's all, just cranks no start. anything i can try at home???
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    You might get lucky with a rail pressure sensor. That code you read should have a dash number p0910-23 example. The dash number relates to the type of failure. Example voltage above threshold etc

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    update on error code

    1. pretty sure this is the fuel sensor worth changing at approx $100 ex UK but they come in two thread types thin and thicker apparently so in order to order a new one i needed to remove my old one. removed all bits n pieces for better access.

    2. spanner does not fit, tried all types of spanners but the closest is this 1/2 inch which is still not the correct size, that damn nut is so tight unable to move it at all.

    packed up for today will look at it tomorrow, need a diff size spanner yet thin enough to give me access. any suggestions please
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    That spanner is 1/2 Whitworth, which from memory is about 19mm . Yes they are tight they are generally a tapered thread for fuel rail pressure. Like npt air lines. They usually put a bit of high pressure sealant on them in the factory which sets better then super glue

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh.huber View Post
    That spanner is 1/2 Whitworth, which from memory is about 19mm . Yes they are tight they are generally a tapered thread for fuel rail pressure. Like npt air lines. They usually put a bit of high pressure sealant on them in the factory which sets better then super glue
    Best place to find Whitworth spanners is the local markets.
    They are difficult to get from the usual places at times.

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    The size will be metric, not Whitworth and that spanner has been modified so the Whitworth size isn't much of a guide.
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    update on error code

    1. got the hammer and chisel onto it this morning and managed to get it out that way. finally... funny thing is there was no fuel (diesel) pouring out of this opening surely the rail should be full of diesel and some should of poured out. thinking now might be another issue such as the low press fuel pump in the tank but have ordered a new sensor to try that first from the UK

    2. said sensor come in two diff thread sizes this is the thicker thread 55PP19-02 the other one fitted are the 55PP19-01 which has the thinner thread. Now to wait for the replacement part to arrive from Uk approx $130 and see if this solves my problem or whether i need to drop the tank.

    i could crank her over to see if diesel squirts out of the remaining hole where the sensor fits, that should tell me if the intank pump works or not?
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    tested

    Just tested by cranking over the engine, only a very small amount of diesel came out of the sensor opening, i would of thought this should be under immense pressure and diesel would squirt everywhere but it didn't so not sure what to make of this, whether that's normal or i have a faulty pump in the tank or another issue blocking fuel supply to the rail.
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    There is a shraeder valve on top of the engine. You can put an improvised gauge on there. I suggest buying the manual to find out required pressures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamirj View Post
    Just tested by cranking over the engine, only a very small amount of diesel came out of the sensor opening, i would of thought this should be under immense pressure and diesel would squirt everywhere but it didn't so not sure what to make of this, whether that's normal or i have a faulty pump in the tank or another issue blocking fuel supply to the rail.
    You're conflating volume with pressure. The HPFP can generate huge pressures, but it's limited in volume. The HPFP can (at absolute best) generate 0.8ml per revolution. It's geared at ~5/6 of the crank speed so even if you were cranking at 300RPM it'd pump 200ml/minute at best. That's with both valves wide open, which they aren't when cranking. 3.3ml/second through a hole that size isn't going to "squirt" anywhere. More like a prostate constrained dribble.

    If you can beg, borrow or steal a low pressure gauge you can test the low pressure pump at the schrader prior to the HPFP. The LPFP is rated at ~70L/hr and ~0.5 bar (~7.xPSI). If you see anywhere vaguely near 1L/minute and > 3psi at the schrader then it's not the LPFP causing your no-start.

    If you had a valve core removal tool you could pop the core from the schrader and put a bit of hose over it to time the delivery volumes. You really need a gauge to check the pressure, but frankly I can run my TDV6 with the LPFP fuse removed, so it's not likely that is the issue.

    These figures are all based on a 2.7L TDV6 in a D3, but there close enough to the D4 to provide diagnostic assistance.

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