Do I actually own a 4wd tourer?

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Rubbish!

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I have to echo DiscoMick's sentiment.
Having clocked up 498,000 K's in the D3, with 90% of it done either in remote Pilbara, Kimberlys, NT or Central Australia (using The Outback Highway).
The only two occasions the car has "failed to proceed" (and we still managed to "limp" it home over 250k's on both occasions).
First time was 200+k's out towards Marble Bar when the air pump failed (at the same time that I got a flat tyre), but we were still able to change tyre and drove back to Port Hedland.
Yes the car did need a re-alignment after that effort, but it got home.
The other occasion was most recently when the in tank pump failed, but we were still able to roll along at 70kph for 250k's on the injector pump pulling enough fuel to get us to Kalgoorlie.

Two weeks ago I had to drive 800k's of flooded and muddy "Great Outback Highway", full tank and 120 litres on roof with full load, and for the whole of that greasy, sodden track I was very glad that I was in Land Rover.
On exit, was told that the track had been closed just after we started on it. At times kilometres of the "highway" were flooded
I've had to do the Gibb River road/track in a 100 series Land Cruiser as it was copping a couple of inches of rain, but in similar conditions to above, had to fight the vehicle all the way.
I think the main reason I have been as fortunate with my remote vehicles is that I do pre-emptive maintenance, so that my vehicle can be taken anywhere at short notice.

The Toyota propaganda is strong, but we Landy owners should not be intimidated.

Hilariously, my BIL's 80 series had numerous problems on his recent round Oz saga, and needed $5000 spent on a new suspension and other repairs in Darwin.
It also chews up outrageous amounts of fuel, particularly when towing and overloaded.
Mean while we just cruise along with him in the Defender, towing our equally heavy camper.
He particularly hates it when I mention having to change down when following him because he is struggling up steep hills, or leave him behind climbing hills. He also hates when I mention our 12 l/100 kms fuel economy when towing and 950km range, while he has to refuel in most towns.
I have had to curb my comments because of his sensitivity about the shortcomings of his 80, which makes me laugh.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The Toyota propaganda is strong, but we Landy owners should not be intimidated.

Hilariously, my BIL's 80 series had numerous problems on his recent round Oz saga, and needed $5000 spent on a new suspension and other repairs in Darwin.
It also chews up outrageous amounts of fuel, particularly when towing and overloaded.
Mean while we just cruise along with him in the Defender, towing our equally heavy camper.
He particularly hates it when I mention having to change down when following him because he is struggling up steep hills, or leave him behind climbing hills. He also hates when I mention our 12 l/100 kms fuel economy when towing and 950km range, while he has to refuel in most towns.
I have had to curb my comments because of his sensitivity about the shortcomings of his 80, which makes me laugh.

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The Equivalent Landcruiser product to your 2009 Defender would be a 2009 79 series and the ONLY thing that the Defender would be better at would be fuel economy by about 3-5 l/100k at best, load carrying capacity, Power wise, range wise and towing ability the 79 series absolutely Eats a 2009 Defender.
Comparing an early 1990 4WD with a 2009 model is a bit "Silly" really.

I think they would be similar for towing (3500kg), payload (1044kg for the Defender) and range (ours has a 120 litre long range tank giving 950km range while towing our camper) vs the Toyota's 130 litre tank and I'm not sure about the real world fuel consumption and range of yours.
As you say the 79 would have more power, but the Defender is competitive on torque - 360Nm vs 430 for the Toyota - although ours has a Steinbauer chip which provides a boost of up to 20%, which could make them similar.
The Defender would be more economical - ours does 11.5 l/100 kms normally and 12 l/100 km when towing our camper.
The Defender would also be lighter and has a better suspension, I think.
Any way, we're off topic here.

Not to mention the cost difference re 79 v Defer and the design issues eg rear diff plus off road and on road stability..79 just luvs to fall over😎..seen it happen ..and get bogged☺

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Originally Posted by Valiant barny

You would be a brave man want to go to remote places buy a land cruiser you may get away with a Landrover a couple of times. but you can be sure it will let you down

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what is that smell????

Please take the Defender/LC comparison elsewhere. A guy with a D4 started this thread for feedback on remote travel in his D4. A bit off topic is fine but come on.

Scott

No harm in considering options other than D4..as the thread is suggesting.

Me..I have one and would I trust it to go @ Aus..absolutely yes😆

Would I buy a 79s...hell no..I'm not a tradie for a start!!

Lighten up yawl....

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I think they would be similar for towing (3500kg), payload (1044kg for the Defender) and range (ours has a 120 litre long range tank giving 950km range while towing our camper) vs the Toyota's 130 litre tank and I'm not sure about the real world fuel consumption and range of yours.
As you say the 79 would have more power, but the Defender is competitive on torque - 360Nm vs 430 for the Toyota - although ours has a Steinbauer chip which provides a boost of up to 20%, which could make them similar.
The Defender would be more economical - ours does 11.5 l/100 kms normally and 12 l/100 km when towing our camper.
The Defender would also be lighter and has a better suspension, I think.
Any way, we're off topic here.

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Come on Mick,have you ever driven a late model 70 series,and compared it to your Defender,that by the way, is 'tuned'?
The engines are COMPLETELY different,forget what max torque/power figures are on paper,have a look at the torque/power curves.
There is actually no comparison between them.
One is a pleasure to drive as it has so much low down torque,where the other has virtually nothing until the revs are way up over 2K.

I have driven the Defender in my sig extensively,and a 76 series frequently,so have a good idea what they are like.
And actually,the 76 isn't too far behind the Deefer in fuel economy,considering it's engine isn't the size of a milk bottle[bighmmm]

Back to the D4,it actually hasn't been bad,a few issues,but nothing major so far.
The D4,and my old D2a are probably the most reliable of the LR's i have owned,so things are getting better,although the Deefer has been a nightmare with issues.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

what is that smell????

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HeHe.
The Vast majority of times a 4WD will let you down is because it has been poorly serviced and maintained, This is Regardless of Brand.
I have Absolutely NO issues taking my 16 year old D2a ANYWHERE simply because I keep up the maintenance and don't flog the guts out of it.
There is Nothing wrong with most of the land rover 4WD's But there seems to be plenty wrong with heaps of the various owners of 4WD's, Regardless of the brand.